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Toothless Character

Posted: 15 Jul 2014, 22:29
by MartianArchaeologist
Thinking about the Dane Stogner interview. I like the use of so many different animals. Especially since many of Chris Sanders' storyboards have Toothless looking like a bunny.

Have been thinking about what they might do in HTTYD3. They might want to bring some more of the cat-flavored Toothless back and here's why: Cats sit and watch things. They think. They scheme. Now that Toothless is an Alpha, he needs a little more of that.

And if you think all cats are standoffish, you've never had a Maine Coon.

Just thinking... :ermm:

Toothless Character

Posted: 15 Jul 2014, 22:49
by ToothlessNightFury
Cats sit and watch but dogs protect and between the tv series and both movies Toothless had both personalitles. The stuborn sarcastic watchful cat and the playful adorable protective dog :)

Toothless Character

Posted: 16 Jul 2014, 07:03
by Cartoon Freak
In the end, Toothless is Toothless. It's a tautology, of course, but one worth bearing in mind. Trying to break down his behaviour to just "cat" or "dog" or any particular animal is doing a disservice to the character and the writers. The writers may well take inspiration from certain animals, but I sincerely doubt that it's done because it's something those animals do, so much as it being something entertaining that they have a model for. When the story requires the writers to come up with a behaviour that is unlike any particular animal, they are certainly able to do so ("The Eel Effect" is an obvious example).

Personally, I find assigning some characteristics to certain animals to be rather inaccurate, but that's a completely different kettle of fish.

Toothless Character

Posted: 16 Jul 2014, 12:05
by MartianArchaeologist
Cartoon Freak
16 Jul 2014, 11:03
In the end, Toothless is Toothless. It's a tautology, of course, but one worth bearing in mind. Trying to break down his behaviour to just "cat" or "dog" or any particular animal is doing a disservice to the character and the writers. The writers may well take inspiration from certain animals, but I sincerely doubt that it's done because it's something those animals do, so much as it being something entertaining that they have a model for. When the story requires the writers to come up with a behaviour that is unlike any particular animal, they are certainly able to do so ("The Eel Effect" is an obvious example).

Personally, I find assigning some characteristics to certain animals to be rather inaccurate, but that's a completely different kettle of fish.
Good rebuttal. Thanks.

I guess I needed to explain myself more on this issue. And since I'm not in the Top Secret forum, it will need spoiler tags.


The Clarification:
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And that thing.



Toothless Character

Posted: 16 Jul 2014, 12:31
by ggamer77
Yeah, Toothless is Toothless. ;)
It gets really annoying when shows or movies make animal characters act specifically like a cat or dog.

Toothless Character

Posted: 16 Jul 2014, 22:28
by thenightandthefury
Alright for those who are saying toothless is being disrespected or is too special to be any particular animal, click the spoiler.
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Thank you!


Toothless Character

Posted: 16 Jul 2014, 23:44
by ToothlessNightFury
thenightandthefury
17 Jul 2014, 02:28
Alright for those who are saying toothless is being disrespected or is too special to be any particular animal, click the spoiler.
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Thank you!
this^^
I also read in an interview with Dean that he admited Toohless was cat like in the first movie and him and the others who worked on the movie all perfer dogs and thought he should have some puppy playfulness to him for the 2nd movie :) ^_^ :D

Toothless Character

Posted: 17 Jul 2014, 00:21
by thenightandthefury
Yes thank you. I read it in several interviews too, not only online but posted right here on the grapevine before the movie came out and afterwards.

In fact if you scroll down to the bottom of the interview "Dragons 2: Darkest One of the Series" which a lot of people didn't read for spoilers sake, it says what each main dragon is a combination of. See here

http://www.berksgrapevine.com/2014/03/d ... ne-in.html

I will list what each dragon is here with spoilers in case you don't want to read the whole thing.

Toothless
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Stormfly
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Meatlug
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Skullcrusher
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Barf & Belch
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Cloudjumper
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Toothless Character

Posted: 17 Jul 2014, 01:46
by puxlit
MartianArchaeologist
16 Jul 2014, 02:29
[...] Especially since many of Chris Sanders' storyboards have Toothless looking like a bunny. [...]
I think Chris has a penchant for cute creatures with large heads. Cases in point: Ogo (of Kiskaloo) and Stitch. Besides, characters in storyboards generally differ from their final design. After all, blocking is more important than a faithful character sketch, and most storyboards are drafted prior to character finalisation.

Sure, we know they referenced real-world animals when designing Toothless's appearance, behaviours, and vocalisations; I don't think anybody here disputes this point. What's up for speculative discussion is how tightly coupled Toothless's mannerisms are to his key animal references. As MartianArchaeologist pointed out, Toothless exhibits a variety of animalistic traits in the second film, from avian to canine. In fact, he's downright anthropomorphic in scenes where he emotes irritation, distress, or pride.

To me, this suggests it's more a matter of what the shot/scene/sequence requires, and less about key animal references. If the story calls for him to mimic Stormfly, he'll act like a bird. If the story calls for him to show loyalty or playfulness, he'll act like a dog. If the story calls for him to demonstrate curiosity or be reserved, he'll act like a cat. If this is the case, then how Toothless behaves in the third film will depend on what story Dean wishes to tell.
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Toothless Character

Posted: 18 Jul 2014, 10:06
by Zer0x
Moved to the Post-Movie Discussion Sub-Forum.

I think he wil show more of an anthropomorphic behaviour in the future. The longer he lives toether with Hiccup and the other vikings the more he wil align his livestyle with the one of humans an oose more and more of his "inner Fury".