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| Topic Started: 12 Jan 2015, 15:03 (11011 Views) | |
| Berserk Shieldmaiden | 12 Jan 2015, 15:03 Post #11 |
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Would it upset you if HTTYD2 beats Lego Movie in the Oscars. |
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| hcsp1 | 12 Jan 2015, 15:28 Post #12 |
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Oh man... Something really annoyed me about this entire thing. Remember when I said fans of "The Lego Movie" started posting on my Facebook post(Me being happy about the win)? Every freaking post went like this: 1)"Lego Movie shuld have won. Such a shame." 2)"I just remembered scenes with Batman from "Lego Movie", laughed out hard. 3)"But HTTYD 2 was cliche. Lego Movie was ORIGINAL(Good movie? Yes. But Original? Give me a break. I'm not saying HTTYD 2 is original, but Lego Movie is every cliche in the book)" I'm sad I can't make a Facebook post about an opinion without trolls poping up with un-related comments. Got your opinions? Fine. But you didn't see me going on your posts about your favorite singer winning an award telling you how s*** he is. Let me be happy for God's sake. HOWEVER! One post pissed me off the most. "With "Big Hero 6", "Lego Movie" and "The Boxtrolls" people actully noticed this movie? What a shame." Actually noticed? Seriously!? I actually replied to that comment saying "Seeing how this is the highest-grossing animated film of 2014, I think people noticed it alright". The reaction I got? "Your over obssessed with this movie" What is me liking the movie had to do with this fact?! I mean really?! Now I see I was right. "Frozen" gets so much hate because the fanbase is impossible to talk to once something's not going for the movie(And let's NOT turn this into a "Frozen" bashing now please. Not the intention). I just expressed an opinion, calm the hell down... |
| Eclipse-Wolven | 12 Jan 2015, 18:39 Post #13 |
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I think I may be one of the few people who don't care as much about originality. I mean, it never hurts obviously, but I care more about execution than something being completely original. In terms of this year, I think HTTYD 2 deserved to win. "Box Trolls" wasn't that good honestly, especially for a Laika film, and "Lego Movie", while very good, was also very overrated. It had fantastic moments, but wasn't quite as mindblowing as a lot of people have been saying. The only other one I might have given the award to was "Big Hero 6", which was really, surprisingly good. As it is though, despite the flaws it had (and it DID have flaws), HTTYD 2 should have won. |
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| Cartoon Freak | 12 Jan 2015, 20:46 Post #14 |
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I don't like to try to predict my emotional states, though I think "upset" would be an exaggeration. It would be far from the worst decision in the Academy's history. I would, however, be disappointed. As I've said, The Lego Movie is better-executed by far, with only one real weak point. HTTYD 2 did have better moments, but if you're going to give an Oscar to a movie just for having great moments, then you may as well just give the Best Picture Oscar to The Hobbit: The Battle of Five Armies, because no movie this year had a higher number of great moments than that (one of the perks of a movie being mostly a giant action sequence). The problem with BFA, and the problem with HTTYD 2, is that each film has more than its fair share of bad moments as well, and the glue that holds the great moments together is weak. The original HTTYD is not a great movie because of Test Drive, or Forbidden Friendship, or any other scene you would care to name. Rather, it's a great movie because it's paced perfectly (or close enough to it), and any weak points do not hinder the overall story. With all of that said, there is a much bigger problem that will arise if HTTYD 2 wins the Best Animated Picture Oscar. Specifically, if it wins, we can kiss goodbye any chance of HTTYD 3 being better than the second film, let alone up to the standards of the original. There is simply no way that would not go to DeBlois' head. With his ego thus inflated, he would have no motivation to improve, largely because he would come to believe that there's no significant room for him to improve. Worse yet, he could even regress, and we could be left with a third film that's worse than the second. Therefore, I sincerely hope that HTTYD 2 does not win the Best Animated Picture Oscar, both out of principle, and for the good of the franchise. The thing about any cliches in The Lego Movie (and indeed, any problem in its first two acts) is that it's all made brilliant by the third-act plot twist. Spoiler: click to toggle
Even without that factor, it's still poking fun at the cliches it uses, which, given that it's clearly a comedy, is more than enough to justify their inclusion. This is completely different from HTTYD 2, which plays its cliches straight. Not that I have little problem with cliches as such as long as they're executed well (HTTYD 2 often doesn't execute its cliches well, but that's a separate problem), but if you really want to compare the two movies in this area, then HTTYD 2 is more cliched at heart than The Lego Movie. Okay, let's look at it this way: name a bad part of The Lego Movie. Not a bit that wasn't great, but a bit that was actually bad. I can name one, and this is me we're talking about. Finding problems is kind of my thing. On the other hand, I can name quite a few problems with HTTYD 2, as anyone who reads my posts already knows. A Best Animated Picture winner should really have that consistent quality that is lacking in HTTYD 2, and present in The Lego Movie. |
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Number of times I've watched the trailer: 18. My pet peeve: people who refer to complete strangers by their first name. The correct ways to refer to a "John Smith" whom you have never met are Smith, Mr Smith, or John Smith. Not "John". He's not your buddy. | |
| Berserk Shieldmaiden | 12 Jan 2015, 23:01 Post #15 |
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Whatever you say dude. To each his own. |
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| DarthBacon | 13 Jan 2015, 01:41 Post #16 |
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I feel HTTYD 2 is miles better than Lego due to 2 main reasons. Its clear that both HTTYD 2 and Lego are both very good movies, and might just change the way animated movies are being looked at. HTTYD 2 is simply a much more complete film, which takes its audience seriously and does not shy away from going where it wants to go. The appeal. The appeal of HTTYD 2 is much more universal. As someone who has not played with legos, I could not care less about a movie made with one. And also, tell me this. You think the lego would have got the recognition it has got if it didnt have batman, superman and the millenium falcon and all other cameos? Nope. |
  
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| Hope_and_Heir | 13 Jan 2015, 03:26 Post #17 |
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I really have no opinion whatsoever on them winning an Oscar... While it would generally awesome if they did, if they didn't I wouldn't be upset in any way. Plus... Httyd is obviously one of our favorite franchises if we're on this site.... So couldn't we all be a tad bit biased in the whole matter? I mean Httyd2, the Lego Movie, and Big Hero 6 were (probably)(I say probably because I haven't seen BH6 yet..) all really great movies. |
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| hcsp1 | 13 Jan 2015, 03:28 Post #18 |
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From the comments I got on the matter, everyone mentions only Batman when talking about this movie. So you do have a point there. No one mentions Emet(That's the main character's name right?) or the villian or anyone else. It's just Batman all the time. Also, just to laugh at it. Someone commented on that post of mine that in order to win this category you need to have amazing and breath taking animation and that HTTYD 2 doesn't have that. I know opinions can and will defer but seriously?! Saying this movie doesn't have amazing animation is almost a reason for me to call someone blind(Figure of speech. I'll never go that far). Did "Lego Movie" brainwash people to do this? I can understand not agreeing with the win but this... |
| DarthBacon | 13 Jan 2015, 04:19 Post #19 |
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I know right. Batman is a major reason why the film got so much popularity. As for the animation, there is no doubt that HTTYD 2 is the BEST this year. I mean, the muscles in Valka's neck twitches when she talks. This new technology from DW is just incredible. |
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| Cartoon Freak | 13 Jan 2015, 04:19 Post #20 |
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NOTE TO ALL READERS: Okay, I got partway through typing this post, and decided it was getting too awkward to skirt around spoilers for The Lego Movie. As a result, this post assumes that anyone reading it has either seen the movie, or does not mind spoilers. You have this completely backwards, for several reasons. 1. HTTYD 2 is the more complete film? This is not only a sequel, it's a sequel where, if you haven't watched the original, then you will have no idea what's going on. "Wait, they were fighting dragons? How did that stop? Why does that dragon have a prosthetic tail fin? Why does that kid have a prosthetic leg? Wait, 'my future daughter-in-law'? Is this an arranged marriage or something?" I could go on, but you get the idea. This is a sequel, first and foremost, and the original is required viewing to understand the sequel, which is a huge mark against its completeness. In addition, the movie doesn't explain or show what happens to its villain, because obvious sequel hook is obvious. This is another mark against its completeness, because the story isn't over. On the other hand, The Lego Movie is an entirely self-contained story. Ignoring the third-act plot twist for the moment, you begin with the villain setting his evil plan in motion, you introduce your hero, he gets involved in the plot and eventually foils it. Obviously, the movie ends with a comedic pseudo-cliffhanger, but the third act plot twist basically shows that it's not a cliffhanger at all, and just a nice conclusion to the antagonist's character arc. No sequel required, no film needs to be watched beforehand, and while some jokes may require some more specific knowledge, most of the jokes, and the film's overall story, only requires the audience to possess general knowledge of popular culture. 2. HTTYD 2 does require more of its audience, but it's not as if The Lego Movie talks down to its audience. Rather, it's just the case that The Lego Movie appeals to a wider age group. Little kids will appreciate the bright colours, physical comedy, and wacky characters. Older audiences will appreciate the comedic deconstruction of tropes and the father/son relationship. HTTYD 2, on the other hand, is the movie that only exists in its current form because the director thought the audience was too stupid to understand the idea of the mother being the antagonist. Even in its current form, the film assumes that we are so unquestioning that we will instantly like a character's mother just because she pushed him out of her vagina and likes dragons, in spite of the fact that she kidnapped him, a fact that is never explained or even acknowledged. Which of these movies is talking down to the audience again? You know, I don't get to say this very often, but you're the weird one in this argument. Pretty much everyone in the western world (and probably a lot outside of it) have played with Lego, and even those who haven't understand the basic concept. They're building blocks, probably the most universal play experience in existence outside of running around chasing people (hmm, no wonder Doctor Who has become popular). And while The Lego Movie may have had plenty of cameos via minifigures, all of the important ones are universally known, even among those people who haven't seen their movies, read their comics, etc. Everyone gets these things, and even if they're not fans of them, are a lot more willing to watch them in a comedy that's always willing to poke fun at itself. HTTYD 2, on the other hand, has one significant obstacle to having universal appeal: the dragons. Yeah, we all know dragons are awesome, but there are a lot of people (idiots, but people nonetheless) who dislike dragons, and to see such a quantity of them with such a focus on them, in a film that is more inherently serious (again, The Lego Movie can certainly be looked at in a serious, analytical way, but it's far from required), is a turnoff to these people. Batman is mentioned all the time because you're on the internet, and the internet understands the truth that Batman is inherently funny. http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=24 Also, he can breathe in space. In the end, the part of the internet that isn't pornography leans towards comedy, so of course random internet comments about The Lego Movie are going to lean towards the funniest character. When you read comments that talk about it seriously, they do look at Emet, Lord Business, and of course, their human counterparts. There is logic to comments like that. There is no denying that HTTYD 2's animation is top-of-the-line, but in the end, it's the same sort of thing we've seen before, but more so. The Lego Movie, on the other hand, has its I-can't-believe-it's-not-stopmotion, which is both brilliant and different. This is definitely a case where I'd say that it's folly to say that one film's animation is inherently better than the other, but I can certainly see where the commenters you're referring to are coming from. Personally, it's very hard to wow me with CGI anymore, and while both films are excellent in this regard, I wouldn't say that either was breathtaking. |
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Number of times I've watched the trailer: 18. My pet peeve: people who refer to complete strangers by their first name. The correct ways to refer to a "John Smith" whom you have never met are Smith, Mr Smith, or John Smith. Not "John". He's not your buddy. | |
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