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Golden Globe goes to How To Train Your Dragon 2
Topic Started: 13 Jan 2015, 04:58 (10699 Views)
hcsp1
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13 Jan 2015, 08:19
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From the comments I got on the matter, everyone mentions only Batman when talking about this movie. So you do have a point there. No one mentions Emet(That's the main character's name right?) or the villian or anyone else. It's just Batman all the time.
Batman is mentioned all the time because you're on the internet, and the internet understands the truth that Batman is inherently funny.

http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=24

Also, he can breathe in space.

In the end, the part of the internet that isn't pornography leans towards comedy, so of course random internet comments about The Lego Movie are going to lean towards the funniest character. When you read comments that talk about it seriously, they do look at Emet, Lord Business, and of course, their human counterparts.
Yeah, you're right there. But let's ask this, if it wasn't Batman in that part and it was a character created for the movie alone, would he still be that funney? Because most of the joke from what I got is that Batman is so not himself(Like he is in the comics, TV showes and the like) and seeing him in that rule just made it all the more funnier. Will people still talk about it online as much if it wasn't Batman? We will probably never know, but I think that sure helped.

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Short answer: No.

Longer answer: The story of The Lego Movie is about a boy and his father, and their relationship as shown through their differing approach to Lego (which in turn is shown through a particular story made by the boy). Therefore, why shouldn't there be real Lego sets and real minifigures in it? As to why Batman plays such a large role in the adventure, he's a recognisable superhero. Any child would be likely to include him in the story, or if not him, then some other recognisable character.

And yes, it makes those scenes funnier. That's not being lazy or unoriginal; it's just making the most of your concept. It's the same principle as any episode of Doctor Who that involves a real historical figure. Context is a powerful tool in storytelling, and when you pick something as universally recognised as Batman, there really are no downsides.
Number of times I've watched the trailer: 18.

My pet peeve: people who refer to complete strangers by their first name. The correct ways to refer to a "John Smith" whom you have never met are Smith, Mr Smith, or John Smith. Not "John". He's not your buddy.
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I should have made myself more clear. I said HTTYD 2 is a much more complete film not because of the story, but because of what we as the audience are put through while watching it. Its funny, thrilling, sad, joyful, epic, etc. all at once. Also, I meant the work put by the team in developing this movie. Just look at Toothless of HTTYD and the Toothless of HTTYD 2. The way Toothless has been aged is just amazing. This goes for all other characters too. And also, HTTYD 2 has a terrific soundtrack.

And yep, I've not played with Legos. Though I do know about them, I've not played with one. So the movie did not appeal to me as much as it may have for you.

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I should have made myself more clear. I said HTTYD 2 is a much more complete film not because of the story, but because of what we as the audience are put through while watching it. Its funny, thrilling, sad, joyful, epic, etc. all at once.
Yes, HTTYD 2 is all of those... in moments. In other moments, it's a right mess of a film The pacing is all over the place, the plot is heavily reliant on coincidence, character interactions are positively inhuman at times, the villain is ludicrously bland (and just plain ludicrous - are we really supposed to find that stupid scream he does intimidating). Great moments do not a great movie make.

The Lego Movie, on the other hand, is consistently good all the way through (seriously, give me an actual bad moment in The Lego Movie - I can name one, and this is me we're talking about), jumping up into great for the most important scenes. Sure, there have been better movies in the past, and there will hopefully be better movies in the future (it sure won't be HTTYD 3 if the second film wins the Oscar, but that's another matter), but if there was a better animated film in 2014, then I didn't see it.
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Also, I meant the work put by the team in developing this movie. Just look at Toothless of HTTYD and the Toothless of HTTYD 2. The way Toothless has been aged is just amazing. This goes for all other characters too. And also, HTTYD 2 has a terrific soundtrack.
And honestly, the same can be said of The Lego Movie. Getting that stop-motion look on that big a scale can't be easy. But all of this is irrelevant for two reasons. First, great visuals do not a great movie make. If it was, then the Bayformers movies would actually be good. On the straight animation side of things, I would take Toy Story, with its basic visuals, over HTTYD 2 or The Lego Movie any day. The story is everything, and to bring things back to the topic, The Lego Movie has a better-written story than HTTYD 2.

Second, this isn't primary school. You don't get a gold star just for trying hard. I have no doubt that everyone involved with both movies tried their hardest, but in the end, that doesn't determine which is the better movie.
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And yep, I've not played with Legos. Though I do know about them, I've not played with one. So the movie did not appeal to me as much as it may have for you.
Fair enough, but when you're talking about universal appeal, you have to acknowledge when you're the weird one. The simple fact of the matter is that playing with Lego is a way more universal experience than a sequel to a particular film about dragons could ever be.
Number of times I've watched the trailer: 18.

My pet peeve: people who refer to complete strangers by their first name. The correct ways to refer to a "John Smith" whom you have never met are Smith, Mr Smith, or John Smith. Not "John". He's not your buddy.
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13 Jan 2015, 09:43
Short answer: No.

Longer answer: The story of The Lego Movie is about a boy and his father, and their relationship as shown through their differing approach to Lego (which in turn is shown through a particular story made by the boy). Therefore, why shouldn't there be real Lego sets and real minifigures in it? As to why Batman plays such a large role in the adventure, he's a recognisable superhero. Any child would be likely to include him in the story, or if not him, then some other recognisable character.

And yes, it makes those scenes funnier. That's not being lazy or unoriginal; it's just making the most of your concept. It's the same principle as any episode of Doctor Who that involves a real historical figure. Context is a powerful tool in storytelling, and when you pick something as universally recognised as Batman, there really are no downsides.
Oh no. I never meant to say that it was lazy and unoriginal. I just said that if this role was given to a character created spesificly for the film, it probably wouldn't have been as funny or if they put any other super-hero in there(For example, I wouldn't see Spider-Man working that well in the rule because the actual Spidey is a funny character, so the joke won't work) it wouldn't have worked as well as it did.

To somewhat go back on topic, someone said somewhere that if a movie won a Golden Globe there is a 90% chance that it will take the Oscar as well. Putting our opinions on the matter of who should win aside, do you think that's true and do you think it can happen again this year?



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To somewhat go back on topic, someone said somewhere that if a movie won a Golden Globe there is a 90% chance that it will take the Oscar as well. Putting our opinions on the matter of who should win aside, do you think that's true and do you think it can happen again this year?
Of course it can happen. The Academy is always capable of being idiots. But people are always telling me to be more optimistic, so I figure I'll give it a try. So, here's hoping that The Lego Movie wins, because of both principle and so that DeBlois gets the cutting down to size he needs to make the third movie better than the second (even when giving optimism a trial, I can't kid myself into thinking there's even a possibility of it being better than the original).
Number of times I've watched the trailer: 18.

My pet peeve: people who refer to complete strangers by their first name. The correct ways to refer to a "John Smith" whom you have never met are Smith, Mr Smith, or John Smith. Not "John". He's not your buddy.
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I didn't think How To Train Your Dragon 2 deserve the Golden Globe either. It's interesting to note how inconsistent and intransigent fans can be. They already hold this fixed view that their film is great no matter what contradicting evidence or analyses are given. If their favorite films don't win the awards, the fans accuse the award givers of being idiots. If the favorite films win the awards, the fans praise the same award givers. Fanaticism is not a good trait.
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The award givers just saw something special in HTTYD2 that they didn't see in Lego or Big Hero 6.



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14 Jan 2015, 04:47
The award givers just saw something special in HTTYD2 that they didn't see in Lego or Big Hero 6.
I'd like to hear their criteria and justifications.
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14 Jan 2015, 06:15
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14 Jan 2015, 04:47
The award givers just saw something special in HTTYD2 that they didn't see in Lego or Big Hero 6.
I'd like to hear their criteria and justifications.
A certain criteria isn't needed, people just like what they like and dont what they dont.

I dont think Frozen deserves the title of best animated movie of all time. No criteria, no justifications, I just didn't see what was so great about it. My opinion is not the popular one but hey.....



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