When did Stoick actually get married?
Posted: 15 Jan 2015, 03:39
I came across a conspiracy theory about
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- Quote:
Hiccup
So I've heard. Still. You have to let the dragon know you're a friend.
Stoick
A friend, huh? Oh! Like me and Gobber?
Hiccup
Yeah, perfect! What did you do when you two met?
Stoick
"That's my wife you're talking to, you one-legged lout!"
1. Yes, there are contradictions between the TV show and the movies. This is not one of them. Valka being married at age ten does not contradict anything within either movie. Yes, it certainly appears that Berk does not have forced marriages within the timeframe of the movies, but that means nothing in regards to what was going on over thirty years before the first movie. Societies change, and their attitude to marriage could be one thing that changed within that timeframe.
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However, I'm not sure you can really do that. There's been several inconsistencies between the show and the movies when it comes to the finer details such as shot limits. Heck, the whole joke in that RoB quote seems to be that they became friends after Gobber made a pass at Stoick's wife, yet quite the deal was made about him officially being gay when HTTYD 2 was released.
Bottom line, I don't think the intent was for Valka's backstory to include being a child bride, especially since it's abundantly clear from the events of both movies that Berk doesn't participate in forced marriages.
1. Yes, societies do change, but I wouldn't say the fact that forced marriages don't exist in the movies means nothing to the hypothetical near-past either. Stoick would have been the chief during most if not all of that time, and he's not exactly a progressive when we're first introduced to him. His resistance to change is even a fairly notable plot point in the movies. For that matter the majority of the village doesn't seem any less conservative initially. So while it's not impossible for a custom like that to have been thrown off in the 30 years or so immediately preceding the first movie, I'd consider it highly unlikely.
- Cartoon Freak
- 16 Jan 2015, 01:12
1. Yes, there are contradictions between the TV show and the movies. This is not one of them. Valka being married at age ten does not contradict anything within either movie. Yes, it certainly appears that Berk does not have forced marriages within the timeframe of the movies, but that means nothing in regards to what was going on over thirty years before the first movie. Societies change, and their attitude to marriage could be one thing that changed within that timeframe.
2. Gay men are certainly capable of making a pass at a woman. It could be done to disguise their sexuality, or as a joke. No contradiction there.
3. Intent is irrelevant. It's what's actually in the text that's important. I sincerely doubt that any of the writers involved in this intended for Valka to be a child bride, but that's obviously what happened in the story. It's unpleasant, it's unintentional, but it's canon.
You mean, like, a direct quote from the Riders of Berk episode?
- Berknation
- 16 Jan 2015, 02:47
Pretty sure... Even in Viking-land... The leaders would not marry off a girl who has not 'developed' yet (unless she was an early bloomer). I mean it is possible. But... She would only be around 10-13 years older than Hiccup then.
Also, where did any of that come from about Gobber and Stoick not being friends till after Stoick and Valka were married?
And the other points?
Please source your evidence!