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Clickable Emoticons	puxlit wrote: > For those who are interested, here are some further loudness measurements, > based on EBU R128. > > [spoiler=Results for HTTYD 1: click to toggle] > [table] > [tr] > [td]#[/td] > [td]Title[/td] > [td]Integrated Loudness (LUFS)[/td] > [td]True-peak (TPFS)[/td] > [td]Loudness Range (LU)[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]1[/td] > [td]This Is Berk[/td] > [td]-10.7[/td] > [td]0.2[/td] > [td]16.0[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]2[/td] > [td]Dragon Battle[/td] > [td]-9.6[/td] > [td]-0.2[/td] > [td]8.8[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]3[/td] > [td]The Downed Dragon[/td] > [td]-15.2[/td] > [td]0.8[/td] > [td]19.8[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]4[/td] > [td]Dragon Training[/td] > [td]-10.8[/td] > [td]-0.2[/td] > [td]19.1[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]5[/td] > [td]Wounded[/td] > [td]-21.4[/td] > [td]-0.4[/td] > [td]12.3[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]6[/td] > [td]The Dragon Book[/td] > [td]-18.1[/td] > [td]0.1[/td] > [td]15.6[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]7[/td] > [td]Focus, Hiccup![/td] > [td]-11.1[/td] > [td]-0.0[/td] > [td]14.1[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]8[/td] > [td]Forbidden Friendship[/td] > [td]-14.6[/td] > [td]-0.2[/td] > [td]18.0[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]9[/td] > [td]New Tail[/td] > [td]-13.1[/td] > [td]0.2[/td] > [td]21.1[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]10[/td] > [td]See You Tomorrow[/td] > [td]-11.6[/td] > [td]-0.1[/td] > [td]19.0[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]11[/td] > [td]Test Drive[/td] > [td]-11.3[/td] > [td]-0.3[/td] > [td]7.8[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]12[/td] > [td]Not So Fireproof[/td] > [td]-20.1[/td] > [td]-2.1[/td] > [td]10.9[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]13[/td] > [td]This Time for Sure[/td] > [td]-11.7[/td] > [td]-0.2[/td] > [td]16.6[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]14[/td] > [td]Astrid Goes for a Spin[/td] > [td]-9.1[/td] > [td]-0.1[/td] > [td]7.5[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]15[/td] > [td]Romantic Flight[/td] > [td]-12.6[/td] > [td]-0.3[/td] > [td]18.3[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]16[/td] > [td]Dragon's Den[/td] > [td]-11.4[/td] > [td]0.1[/td] > [td]17.7[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]17[/td] > [td]The Cove[/td] > [td]-21.4[/td] > [td]-5.5[/td] > [td]14.9[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]18[/td] > [td]The Kill Ring[/td] > [td]-11.5[/td] > [td]-0.2[/td] > [td]14.7[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]19[/td] > [td]Ready the Ships[/td] > [td]-14.1[/td] > [td]-0.1[/td] > [td]18.2[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]20[/td] > [td]Battling the Green Death[/td] > [td]-8.4[/td] > [td]-0.0[/td] > [td]8.1[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]21[/td] > [td]Counter Attack[/td] > [td]-8.2[/td] > [td]1.2[/td] > [td]5.9[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]22[/td] > [td]Where's Hiccup[/td] > [td]-14.7[/td] > [td]-0.3[/td] > [td]23.6[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]23[/td] > [td]Coming Back Around[/td] > [td]-8.4[/td] > [td]0.0[/td] > [td]16.1[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]24[/td] > [td]Sticks & Stones[/td] > [td]-11.1[/td] > [td]-1.5[/td] > [td]9.4[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]25[/td] > [td]The Vikings Have Their Tea[/td] > [td]-17.2[/td] > [td]-1.8[/td] > [td]8.2[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td] [/td] > [td][i]Album[/i][/td] > [td]-10.9[/td] > [td]1.2[/td] > [td]18.5[/td] > [/tr][/table][/spoiler] > > [spoiler=Results for HTTYD 2: click to toggle] > [table] > [tr] > [td]#[/td] > [td]Title[/td] > [td]Integrated Loudness (LUFS)[/td] > [td]True-peak (TPFS)[/td] > [td]Loudness Range (LU)[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]1[/td] > [td]Dragon Racing[/td] > [td]-12.3[/td] > [td]-0.1[/td] > [td]9.9[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]2[/td] > [td]Together We Map the World[/td] > [td]-21.6[/td] > [td]-0.4[/td] > [td]15.5[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]3[/td] > [td]Hiccup the Chief – Drago’s Coming[/td] > [td]-14.0[/td] > [td]-0.3[/td] > [td]18.8[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]4[/td] > [td]Toothless Lost[/td] > [td]-12.0[/td] > [td]-0.3[/td] > [td]21.8[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]5[/td] > [td]Should I Know You[/td] > [td]-15.0[/td] > [td]-0.3[/td] > [td]13.7[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]6[/td] > [td]Valka’s Dragon Sanctuary[/td] > [td]-16.9[/td] > [td]-0.4[/td] > [td]17.6[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]7[/td] > [td]Losing Mom – Meet the Good Alpha[/td] > [td]-15.7[/td] > [td]-0.1[/td] > [td]20.9[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]8[/td] > [td]Meet Drago[/td] > [td]-14.2[/td] > [td]-0.1[/td] > [td]16.7[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]9[/td] > [td]Stoick Finds Beauty[/td] > [td]-18.9[/td] > [td]2.3[/td] > [td]19.4[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]10[/td] > [td]Flying With Mother[/td] > [td]-15.4[/td] > [td]-0.4[/td] > [td]13.7[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]11[/td] > [td]For the Dancing and the Dreaming[/td] > [td]-19.4[/td] > [td]-2.3[/td] > [td]24.0[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]12[/td] > [td]Battle of the Bewilderbeast[/td] > [td]-12.4[/td] > [td]0.2[/td] > [td]9.0[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]13[/td] > [td]Hiccup Confronts Drago[/td] > [td]-13.3[/td] > [td]-0.3[/td] > [td]16.3[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]14[/td] > [td]Stoick Saves Hiccup[/td] > [td]-14.1[/td] > [td]-0.2[/td] > [td]24.5[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]15[/td] > [td]Stoick’s Ship[/td] > [td]-16.1[/td] > [td]-0.1[/td] > [td]21.1[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]16[/td] > [td]Alpha Comes to Berk[/td] > [td]-14.2[/td] > [td]-0.3[/td] > [td]19.1[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]17[/td] > [td]Toothless Found[/td] > [td]-12.4[/td] > [td]-0.0[/td] > [td]18.7[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]18[/td] > [td]Two New Alphas[/td] > [td]-13.1[/td] > [td]-0.0[/td] > [td]20.1[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]19[/td] > [td]Where No One Goes[/td] > [td]-10.5[/td] > [td]0.1[/td] > [td]8.5[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]20[/td] > [td]Into a Fantasy[/td] > [td]-11.2[/td] > [td]-0.6[/td] > [td]7.7[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td] [/td] > [td][i]Album[/i][/td] > [td]-13.2[/td] > [td]2.3[/td] > [td]19.1[/td] > [/tr] > [/table][/spoiler] > [spoiler=Raw terminal output: click to toggle]puxlit@athena:~$ r128gain > --version > r128gain v1.0.9 (FFmpeg edition) > > This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO > warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. > puxlit@athena:~$ r128gain './EAC Rips/John Powell - How to Train Your > Dragon (2010) [FLAC]/'.flac > SoX sucessfully loaded. > FFmpeg sucessfully loaded. > analyzing ... > [1/25] "01 - John Powell - This Is Berk.flac": -10.7 LUFS > (-12.3 LU) > peak: 0.2 TPFS, range: 16.0 LU > [2/25] "02 - John Powell - Dragon Battle.flac": -9.6 LUFS > (-13.4 LU) > peak: -0.2 TPFS, range: 8.8 LU > [3/25] "03 - John Powell - The Downed Dragon.flac": -15.2 LUFS > (-7.8 LU) > peak: 0.8 TPFS, range: 19.8 LU > [4/25] "04 - John Powell - Dragon Training.flac": -10.8 LUFS > (-12.2 LU) > peak: -0.2 TPFS, range: 19.1 LU > [5/25] "05 - John Powell - Wounded.flac": -21.4 LUFS (-1.6 LU) > peak: -0.4 TPFS, range: 12.3 LU > [6/25] "06 - John Powell - The Dragon Book.flac": -18.1 LUFS > (-4.9 LU) > peak: 0.1 TPFS, range: 15.6 LU > [7/25] "07 - John Powell - Focus, Hiccup!.flac": -11.1 LUFS > (-11.9 LU) > peak: -0.0 TPFS, range: 14.1 LU > [8/25] "08 - John Powell - Forbidden Friendship.flac": -14.6 > LUFS (-8.4 LU) > peak: -0.2 TPFS, range: 18.0 LU > [9/25] "09 - John Powell - New Tail.flac": -13.1 LUFS (-9.9 LU) > peak: 0.2 TPFS, range: 21.1 LU > [10/25] "10 - John Powell - See You Tomorrow.flac": -11.6 LUFS > (-11.4 LU) > peak: -0.1 TPFS, range: 19.0 LU > [11/25] "11 - John Powell - Test Drive.flac": -11.3 LUFS (-11.7 > LU) > peak: -0.3 TPFS, range: 7.8 LU > [12/25] "12 - John Powell - Not So Fireproof.flac": -20.1 LUFS > (-2.9 LU) > peak: -2.1 TPFS, range: 10.9 LU > [13/25] "13 - John Powell - This Time for Sure.flac": -11.7 > LUFS (-11.3 LU) > peak: -0.2 TPFS, range: 16.6 LU > [14/25] "14 - John Powell - Astrid Goes for a Spin.flac": -9.1 > LUFS (-13.9 LU) > peak: -0.1 TPFS, range: 7.5 LU > [15/25] "15 - John Powell - Romantic Flight.flac": -12.6 LUFS > (-10.4 LU) > peak: -0.3 TPFS, range: 18.3 LU > [16/25] "16 - John Powell - Dragon's Den.flac": -11.4 LUFS > (-11.6 LU) > peak: 0.1 TPFS, range: 17.7 LU > [17/25] "17 - John Powell - The Cove.flac": -21.4 LUFS (-1.6 > LU) > peak: -5.5 TPFS, range: 14.9 LU > [18/25] "18 - John Powell - The Kill Ring.flac": -11.5 LUFS > (-11.5 LU) > peak: -0.2 TPFS, range: 14.7 LU > [19/25] "19 - John Powell - Ready the Ships.flac": -14.1 LUFS > (-8.9 LU) > peak: -0.1 TPFS, range: 18.2 LU > [20/25] "20 - John Powell - Battling the Green Death.flac": > -8.4 LUFS (-14.6 LU) > peak: -0.0 TPFS, range: 8.1 LU > [21/25] "21 - John Powell - Counter Attack.flac": -8.2 LUFS > (-14.8 LU) > peak: 1.2 TPFS, range: 5.9 LU > [22/25] "22 - John Powell - Where's Hiccup.flac": -14.7 LUFS > (-8.3 LU) > peak: -0.3 TPFS, range: 23.6 LU > [23/25] "23 - John Powell - Coming Back Around.flac": -8.4 LUFS > (-14.6 LU) > peak: 0.0 TPFS, range: 16.1 LU > [24/25] "24 - Jónsi - Sticks & Stones.flac": -11.1 LUFS > (-11.9 LU) > peak: -1.5 TPFS, range: 9.4 LU > [25/25] "25 - John Powell - The Vikings Have Their Tea.flac": > -17.2 LUFS (-5.8 LU) > peak: -1.8 TPFS, range: 8.2 LU > [ALBUM]: -10.9 LUFS (-12.1 LU) > peak: 1.2 TPFS, range: 18.5 LU > done. > puxlit@athena:~$ r128gain './EAC Rips/John Powell - How to Train Your > Dragon 2 (2014) [FLAC]/'.flac > SoX sucessfully loaded. > FFmpeg sucessfully loaded. > analyzing ... > [1/20] "01 - John Powell - Dragon Racing.flac": -12.3 LUFS > (-10.7 LU) > peak: -0.1 TPFS, range: 9.9 LU > [2/20] "02 - John Powell - Together We Map the World.flac": > -21.6 LUFS (-1.4 LU) > peak: -0.4 TPFS, range: 15.5 LU > [3/20] "03 - John Powell - Hiccup the Chief – Drago’s > Coming.flac": -14.0 LUFS (-9.0 LU) > peak: -0.3 TPFS, range: 18.8 LU > [4/20] "04 - John Powell - Toothless Lost.flac": -12.0 LUFS > (-11.0 LU) > peak: -0.3 TPFS, range: 21.8 LU > [5/20] "05 - John Powell - Should I Know You.flac": -15.0 LUFS > (-8.0 LU) > peak: -0.3 TPFS, range: 13.7 LU > [6/20] "06 - John Powell - Valka’s Dragon Sanctuary.flac": > -16.9 LUFS (-6.1 LU) > peak: -0.4 TPFS, range: 17.6 LU > [7/20] "07 - John Powell - Losing Mom – Meet the Good > Alpha.flac": -15.7 LUFS (-7.3 LU) > peak: -0.1 TPFS, range: 20.9 LU > [8/20] "08 - John Powell - Meet Drago.flac": -14.2 LUFS (-8.8 > LU) > peak: -0.1 TPFS, range: 16.7 LU > [9/20] "09 - John Powell - Stoick Finds Beauty.flac": -18.9 > LUFS (-4.1 LU) > peak: 2.3 TPFS, range: 19.4 LU > [10/20] "10 - John Powell - Flying With Mother.flac": -15.4 > LUFS (-7.6 LU) > peak: -0.4 TPFS, range: 13.7 LU > [11/20] "11 - Gerard Butler, Craig Ferguson & Mary Jane Wells - > For the Dancing and the Dreaming.flac": -19.4 LUFS (-3.6 LU) > peak: -2.3 TPFS, range: 24.0 LU > [12/20] "12 - John Powell - Battle of the Bewilderbeast.flac": > -12.4 LUFS (-10.6 LU) > peak: 0.2 TPFS, range: 9.0 LU > [13/20] "13 - John Powell - Hiccup Confronts Drago.flac": -13.3 > LUFS (-9.7 LU) > peak: -0.3 TPFS, range: 16.3 LU > [14/20] "14 - John Powell - Stoick Saves Hiccup.flac": -14.1 > LUFS (-8.9 LU) > peak: -0.2 TPFS, range: 24.5 LU > [15/20] "15 - John Powell - Stoick’s Ship.flac": -16.1 LUFS > (-6.9 LU) > peak: -0.1 TPFS, range: 21.1 LU > [16/20] "16 - John Powell - Alpha Comes to Berk.flac": -14.2 > LUFS (-8.8 LU) > peak: -0.3 TPFS, range: 19.1 LU > [17/20] "17 - John Powell - Toothless Found.flac": -12.4 LUFS > (-10.6 LU) > peak: -0.0 TPFS, range: 18.7 LU > [18/20] "18 - John Powell - Two New Alphas.flac": -13.1 LUFS > (-9.9 LU) > peak: -0.0 TPFS, range: 20.1 LU > [19/20] "19 - Jónsi & John Powell - Where No One > Goes.flac": -10.5 LUFS (-12.5 LU) > peak: 0.1 TPFS, range: 8.5 LU > [20/20] "20 - Alexander Rybak - Into a Fantasy.flac": -11.2 > LUFS (-11.8 LU) > peak: -0.6 TPFS, range: 7.7 LU > [ALBUM]: -13.2 LUFS (-9.8 LU) > peak: 2.3 TPFS, range: 19.1 LU > done.[/spoiler] > In most cases for CD tracks, integrated loudness (i.e., average loudness) > should sit around -15.0 LUFS, true-peak should never exceed 0.0 TPFS, and > loudness range should be no smaller than 6.0 LU. For a more coherent > explanation, > [url=http://www.tcelectronic.com/loudness/loudness-explained/]this > article[/url] is worth perusing. > > Edit #2: gleaning useful information from track-wide loudness measurements > is tricky. Take [i]For the Dancing and the Dreaming[/i] as an example: it > has a loudness range of 24.0 LU, since the track comprises both quiet > whistling and a lively jig. However, to suggest it therefore sounds better > would be premature. If we were to measure the loudest segment of the > track—Valka and Stoick's performance (from 2:10.000 to 3:00.000)—we'd get a > more meaningful reading of 8.8 LU. Some more contrived examples follow. > > [spoiler=Contrived examples: click to toggle] > [table] > [tr] > [td]#[/td] > [td]Title[/td] > [td]Loud Segment Range[/td] > [td]Integrated Loudness (Overall vs. [u]Loud Segment[/u], LUFS)[/td] > [td]Loudness Range (Overall vs. [u]Loud Segment[/u], LU)[/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]1.23[/td] > [td]Coming Back Around[/td] > [td]2:01.900 to 2:40.500[/td] > [td]-8.4 vs. [u]-6.3[/u][/td] > [td]16.1 vs. [u]2.0[/u][/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]1.24[/td] > [td]Sticks & Stones[/td] > [td]3:16.700 to 3:57.200[/td] > [td]-11.1 vs. [u]-9.2[/u][/td] > [td]9.4 vs. [u]0.9[/u][/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]2.18[/td] > [td]Two New Alphas[/td] > [td]5:43.500 to 5:59.000[/td] > [td]-13.1 vs. [u]-8.5[/u][/td] > [td]20.1 vs. [u]2.1[/u][/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]2.19[/td] > [td]Where No One Goes[/td] > [td]2:05.500 to 2:40.000[/td] > [td]-10.5 vs. [u]-8.4[/u][/td] > [td]8.5 vs. [u]1.1[/u][/td] > [/tr] > [tr] > [td]2.20[/td] > [td]Into A Fantasy[/td] > [td]3:00.000 to 3:25.000[/td] > [td]-11.2 vs. [u]-9.6[/u][/td] > [td]7.7 vs. [u]1.1[/u][/td] > [/tr] > [/table] > [/spoiler] > So some tracks can get pretty bombastic (i.e., higher average loudness, > lower loudness range) for a while. Whether they stay bombastic for too long > is very much a matter of personal taste. > > ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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puxlit 14 Jul 2014, 03:00

For those who are interested, here are some further loudness measurements, based on EBU R128.

Spoiler: click to toggle

In most cases for CD tracks, integrated loudness (i.e., average loudness) should sit around -15.0 LUFS, true-peak should never exceed 0.0 TPFS, and loudness range should be no smaller than 6.0 LU. For a more coherent explanation, this article is worth perusing.

Edit #2: gleaning useful information from track-wide loudness measurements is tricky. Take For the Dancing and the Dreaming as an example: it has a loudness range of 24.0 LU, since the track comprises both quiet whistling and a lively jig. However, to suggest it therefore sounds better would be premature. If we were to measure the loudest segment of the track—Valka and Stoick's performance (from 2:10.000 to 3:00.000)—we'd get a more meaningful reading of 8.8 LU. Some more contrived examples follow.

Spoiler: click to toggle

So some tracks can get pretty bombastic (i.e., higher average loudness, lower loudness range) for a while. Whether they stay bombastic for too long is very much a matter of personal taste.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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