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| How Astrid indirectly caused the death of Stoick | |
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| Topic Started: 20 Jul 2014, 12:10 (9156 Views) | |
| TheBlackFluffyThing | 20 Jul 2014, 12:10 Post #21 |
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I think it's very out of character for Astrid to give away that much information to an enemy, but it wasn't this alone that killed Stoick. My explanation for your second plot hole is that maybe Drago wanted to make his dragon army bigger before attacking Berk, because after everything Astrid told him he probably thought his Dragons weren't enough. And after his Bewilderbeast killed Valka's all of her dragons were in his army too. |
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| doeslingx | 20 Jul 2014, 16:14 Post #22 |
...and one other reason
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There's no way she could have known what she was starting. It was a gamble and it didn't pay off, but you have to remember that their situation at the time looked totally hopeless. She was playing the one card she thought she had left in their hand. You can go to literally any point in the movie and say that because this character's actions caused the plot to progress in this way, that character is responsible for everything that comes afterwards. Maybe Hiccup's responsible because he chose to confront Drago? Maybe Valka's responsible because she didn't deal with Drago earlier during their fight scene. Maybe Toothless is responsible because he wasn't trying hard enough to shake off the Alpha's control the first time round (he manages it the second time round, right?). My point is that the future is unpredictable and Astrid couldn't have known her part in the whole chain of events. Drago is solely responsible for Stoick's death, and anything else is incidental. |
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| puxlit | 22 Jul 2014, 11:04 Post #23 |
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To elaborate on this point, we know Astrid instigated the expedition to Drago's base to rescue Hiccup et al. on the off chance that they had been captured. When she realised otherwise—Eret blabbed about an island full of dragon riders; Drago interrogated, "How many?"; Astrid whispered, "Drago doesn't have them after all."—she had to find a way out of their predicament. Was her gambit out of character? I doubt it. What alternatives were there? It seemed like Drago literally took no prisoners. Could she have tricked Drago? Unlikely; Drago's not an idiot. Could she have reasoned with Drago? Again, unlikely; besides, diplomacy's arguably not her style. So, she needed to find some way to convince Drago to set them free. At the very least, she needed to find some way to stall their impending execution… She formulates a plan (and we see her explain it to Ruffnut in the background just before she launches into her speech): if Hiccup et al. are still out there, why not use them as a bargaining chip? "Free us, or our allies will find you, and destroy your armada. After all, it's not like your ships are ready, right?" Wrong. She didn't know Drago's armada was mobilised. She didn't know Drago had a bewilderbeast. She didn't know about Valka's sanctuary. From incomplete information, she picked the most pragmatic tactic given their desperate situation, but it backfired. Thus, it's unreasonable to heap the blame on her. |
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