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| Topic Started: 12 Apr 2014, 23:43 (25801 Views) | |
| ToothlessTheUseless | 12 Apr 2014, 23:43 Post #101 |
Dragon Egg
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I don't think we have enough information on Valka yet to have a solid idea on what her character is going to be like. We don't know for sure what the events/situations are going to be leading up to the few scenes that we've already seen. Plus I have a feeling that DreamWorks is withholding a lot of information on her. I dunno, maybe that's just the optimist in me talking, I just have really high hopes for Valka and the way she ties in with the story. |
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| KentuckyWildcat | 13 Apr 2014, 00:01 Post #102 |
Raw Vikingness
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I hope you're right. I think the biggest hang-up for me is that she's Hiccup's mother. I have no trouble seeing how a mysterious dragon guru could add to the plot, but that extra little twist raises so many questions that demand an explanation. I hope they can pull it off. |
| Come death. Come suffering. I will not live in fear. In this fleeting life where time escapes us, the path of least resistance is a slow quiet death. I'd rather burn out than fade away. | |
| Cartoon Freak | 13 Apr 2014, 02:26 Post #103 |
Deadly Nadder
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In regards to anyone saying that Dreamworks may be holding back some key information which will completely change how Valka is perceived, what exactly could do that? Because I've found absolutely nothing that has more than a trivial possibility of happening. This. So much this. If Valka wasn't Hiccup's mother (sadly an impossibility now, though it was still possible before that last trailer came out), then a few big problems would go away (the whole "dragon training is in Hiccup's blood" problem - I still can't believe that some people see that as a good thing), and I think a few other problems would be lessened. Heck, they could even have made her really old at that point - too old to be able to last through a proper battle - which would have resulted in Hiccup still having some purpose in spite of Valka being infinitely more skilled. Think Yoda and you'd have the right idea for how the character could have worked. |
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Number of times I've watched the trailer: 18. My pet peeve: people who refer to complete strangers by their first name. The correct ways to refer to a "John Smith" whom you have never met are Smith, Mr Smith, or John Smith. Not "John". He's not your buddy. | |
| Eret | 13 Apr 2014, 09:32 Post #104 |
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We've only seen two to four minutes of footage. Dreamworks has never been known for advertising their movies well. It really makes no sense to jump to some of the conclusions you are jumping to. Just wait and see, and if it turns out the way you're worried it will, then complain all you want. |
| Cartoon Freak | 13 Apr 2014, 09:52 Post #105 |
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Deadly Nadder
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Actually, between the trailers, clips both online and shown exclusively at conventions, we've probably seen closer to ten minutes. This is certainly enough to judge a few specific actions, and when you add this to some good old-fashioned common sense, one can make some (admittedly vague) predictions with a considerable degree of certainty. For example, we have seen (or, in my case, read detailed descriptions of, but I have no reason to doubt the accuracy of said accounts) the scene where Valka kidnaps Hiccup after utterly wiping the floor with him and Toothless. This actually raises a few problems, but I'd just like to focus on Valka's utter evil in kidnapping Hiccup for no good reason (and believe me, I've discussed a fair few possible explanations for it, and none hold up under scrutiny). Seriously, that's just messed up, and there's no way that she should be forgiven for that in such a short space of time, if at all. Presenting evil as good is a pretty serious problem, not to mention the complete lack of karma that looks to be applied Valka's way. Now, it is worth mentioning the one way I have seen (and again, I've had no shortage of discussion of the possibilities) to fix this problem: if Valka was the villain. Okay, so the characters would still be idiots for trusting her, but at least her actions would eventually be revealed as evil, and she would eventually get her just desserts. But honestly, does anyone actually think that there's more than a trivial possibility of that happening? I created the term Valka Villain Probability for a reason, you know. It's true that I don't know exactly what the film is going to be like, but by using the old grey matter, I've got a pretty good idea on roughly how it will turn out. As I've said in the past, I would love to be wrong, but I obviously don't think I will be, and I would be a fool to get my hopes up. That way lies disappointment. This way, if the film defies the odds and manages to be good, then I will be pleasantly surprised, and my joy all the greater for it. |
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Number of times I've watched the trailer: 18. My pet peeve: people who refer to complete strangers by their first name. The correct ways to refer to a "John Smith" whom you have never met are Smith, Mr Smith, or John Smith. Not "John". He's not your buddy. | |
| Zer0x | 13 Apr 2014, 11:25 Post #106 |
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That's just a metaphor. I don't think it was more than a joke from the person who said that. When DeBlois really associate this movie with Star Wars, he wouldn't make the same failure like GL to explain the Force with tiny creatures in your blood called "Midiclorians". That depends on the publisher, not the Studio which makes the movie. And Fox invests always much money in advertisements if the movie is going to be a real Blockbuster. We got much more informations for the second movie then for the first one which was published by Paramount. |
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UNAMUSED No, I'm serious....stop it.. | |
| Skywalker | 13 Apr 2014, 11:38 Post #107 |
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I don't think the problem with "dragon training being in his blood" is a literal thing. But that it reduces the strides and steps Hiccup made. He was this little guy, so divorced from the usual viking way. But he found his unique talent and it changed his people's culture and stopped a "war" that had been going on for years. Now, not so unique. |
| Eret | 13 Apr 2014, 11:59 Post #108 |
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I'm well aware of that, but the point still stands that its silly to make some of the gigantic assumptions some people are making based off of the little footage we've seen especially when its been cut up and edited to be misleading to an unknown extent. |
| Zer0x | 13 Apr 2014, 14:23 Post #109 |
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[b]Banhammerdragon [/b]
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I am also of the opinion that we were getting way to much informations. Like I already said, I wish I could forget everything exept the Teaser. I think the people at DreamWorks are a bit over-motivated can't wait to show us what they have created. This movie is MADE for the fans, not for the normal cinema visitor. There aren't many movies in the history of Hollywood which had such a huge and enthusiastic fandom like HTTYD. The material from the movie which was already shown to us is just so astonish and incredible that everyone makes coherences without knowing the full plot. This is just normal. |
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UNAMUSED No, I'm serious....stop it.. | |
| KentuckyWildcat | 13 Apr 2014, 14:30 Post #110 |
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Raw Vikingness
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That's exactly my problem with the idea. In the first movie, Hiccup made a choice to go against everything he was expected to be. As a result, he accomplished more than he ever could have otherwise and changed life for the better for everyone on Berk. Introducing the idea that he's just like his mother so maybe it was his destiny all along cheapens that choice in my opinion. |
| Come death. Come suffering. I will not live in fear. In this fleeting life where time escapes us, the path of least resistance is a slow quiet death. I'd rather burn out than fade away. | |
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