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| Topic Started: 23 Jun 2014, 01:04 (27492 Views) | |
| Sabrina | 23 Jun 2014, 01:04 Post #101 |
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You know that the budge of the first movie was even higher than this one? They will never pull that art/animation quality (ever) again. They could do it if THIS movie was a huge success in box office, so they could PAY for it. The budge of HTTYD3 will come from HTTYD2 total gross. That's why you're doing wrong to root for this movie to do bad at box office. They will not take money out of their pocket once again (especially right now that DW is in a bad situation), just to be another failure. HTTYD2 underperforming at box office = HTTYD3 budge decrease. |
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| Cartoon Freak | 23 Jun 2014, 07:14 Post #102 |
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Well, I suppose I was forgetting that this is Dreamworks, which has this nasty habit of taking completely the wrong lesson from everything. In that regard, yes, it could definitely lead to a decrease in budget and thus graphical quality. With that said, I really don't care about graphics. Toy Story is still a better movie than the vast majority of animated films or big-budget blockbusters of recent years. Story is everything. In that regard, any artist worth their salt will, at least with the benefit of hindsight and some criticism, be able to see where they went wrong and improve on their work in the future. If they can't do that, then they're in the wrong profession. In other words, if DeBlois has any sort of ability to take criticism (and he strikes me as the sort who does), then the story is likely to improve, given that he does appear to have some sort of rough plan in mind (so HTTYD 3 will not be a sequel for the sake of a sequel, which even the best directors can struggle with). Off-topic: is it just me, or are people determined to shoot me down any time I try to be optimistic? And does anyone else find that funny? |
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Number of times I've watched the trailer: 18. My pet peeve: people who refer to complete strangers by their first name. The correct ways to refer to a "John Smith" whom you have never met are Smith, Mr Smith, or John Smith. Not "John". He's not your buddy. | |
| Astrid | 23 Jun 2014, 11:13 Post #103 |
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Wait are you telling me the quality of the animation/art of the 2nd movie is inferior to the 1st? I know I'm no expert but I really have my doubts, with the new software and how big they wanted to do this one I really don't see how the animation/art of httyd2 is inferior to httyd1 (and if someone can explain it it will be helpful). Now I always thought the budget of the 1st movie was higher cause they had to redo the entire movie when Dean and Chris became the directors and I think that was a year and a few months before the release. Btw I do see how Dreamworks can't take the right hint if the movie underperforms at the box office, they could totally blame the marketing strategy and not at all the storytelling, so yeah.... |
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| Cartoon Freak | 23 Jun 2014, 11:52 Post #104 |
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It is also worth noting that one can probably do a heck of a lot more now with the same amount of money (possibly only when adjusted for inflation). In other words, you could make a film with the animation quality of HTTYD now on a budget less than that of HTTYD 2. And I'm totally fine with a film that "only" looks as good as HTTYD, as long as the story is better told than HTTYD 2. Story is everything. |
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Number of times I've watched the trailer: 18. My pet peeve: people who refer to complete strangers by their first name. The correct ways to refer to a "John Smith" whom you have never met are Smith, Mr Smith, or John Smith. Not "John". He's not your buddy. | |
| micromys | 23 Jun 2014, 14:57 Post #105 |
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I'm not seeing how one could assume that this film doing poorly or less well than the first would prompt anyone involved to conclude that it was because the story needed improvement -- after all, it has been doing very well critically (and I do certainly think Dean, at least, has been paying attention to the critiques that have been given in the reviews). If anything, the movie failing to perform well could result in Dean being given less control over the story in the interest of having him create one that would be more marketable, not necessarily better, which is frankly not what I want for the conclusion of this franchise. |
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| Sabrina | 23 Jun 2014, 15:31 Post #106 |
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I know that story is everything. I have no doubts about the story.  But, music and graphics quality are strong points in HTTYD. Note: I'm not shooting on you, I just saw "Astrid" comment. |
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| Zer0x | 23 Jun 2014, 19:05 Post #107 |
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If so, I have to deny that. All visual things have been improved, especially the character animation sets new standards and the realism of the lighting is unsurpassed in animated movies. I would go so far to say, that HTTYD2 has in some points the best animations of all existing movies. Yes, I have noticed that and I find it quite amusing. 
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| Eret | 23 Jun 2014, 19:16 Post #108 |
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Exactly this, some of the logic in this thread makes no sense at all. The user here that actually works for dreamworks (who's name escapes me right now, sorry) brought up in another thread the fact that Dean was already under so much pressure to listen to many different people's demands that its a wonder the film is coherent at all. If you think the second one bombing is going to make those pressures ease up for the third movie and give Dean more leeway to do what he thinks is best, yeah I have news for you. |
| puxlit | 23 Jun 2014, 19:45 Post #109 |
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The post to which Eret's referring can be found here. I imagine the studio's bigwigs could argue the case for further intervention either way; if it doesn't do well, clearly the third film requires further remedial oversight, but if it does do well, it vindicates the changes Dean had to concede. Perhaps this is a cynical assessment. |
| Astrid | 23 Jun 2014, 21:43 Post #110 |
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Actually my logic was that if httyd2 does well they will go with "this worked well so let's do the same thing again" and no major improvement will be thought. Now I do realise a minority didn't like or had problems with this story so if the movie doesn't do well it's more probable they will go with the approach you mention and make it more marketable and not really think of the improvements I was thinking of that are definetly not related to marketability. |
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