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| Topic Started: 15 Apr 2014, 11:22 (9660 Views) | |
| Eclipse-Wolven | 15 Apr 2014, 11:22 Post #31 |
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^^ There is truth in this statement. XD And I'm not sure it'll be the BIGGEST blockbuster of the summer (I personally think that both Transformers and Godzilla might be bigger) but it should certainly be among the biggest. It's a sequel to a hit movie that has an established fanbase that's very passionate about the material. Also, the studio seems to really be trying hard to make this one a legit good movie. I think Dreamworks is in a pretty good position with this one. |
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| neia silva | 15 Apr 2014, 11:27 Post #32 |
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You know what? I think that HTTYD 2 will be the biffest blockbuster summer of animated movies. And... I so would love to see HTTYD 2 earn 1000 billion like Frozen! :wub: 
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| Oneill5491 | 15 Apr 2014, 14:43 Post #33 |
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I'm sure you meant $1 billion.  I'm really interested and fascinated by the business aspects of the movie industry. I often find myself pouring over box office figures, marketing strategies, and critical reviews and their correlation with revenues. I posted a link to this article on Tumblr last week. Which 2014 Movies Could Reach $1 Billion - BoxOfficeMojo It's BoxOfficeMojo's outlook on which movies have a chance of making over $1 billion this year. They claim Transformers has the highest chance at 70% (as others on this board would seemingly agree on), but they do give HTTYD2 a 25% chance of joining the $1 billion club. They feel that it will realistically settle around $900 million worldwide. Other noteworthy contenders include the last Hobbit installment and the next Hunger Games movie at 55% and 40% respectively. I think what will determine if HTTYD 2 passes $1 billion will be how re-watchable the movie is from a visceral standpoint (audio/visual experience that appeals to your core emotions and senses). Just like with Avatar, people came back to re-experience the vibrant utopian atmosphere, the awesome sweeping soundtrack, and the 3D effects, especially during the flight sequences. These are all big production elements that the HTTYD franchise has going for it. If key production members like Roger Deakins (cinematographer/visual consultant) and John Powell hit it out of the park with what they do best, I think HTTYD 2 will have no problems surpassing $1 billion in box office revenues. |
| Cartoon Freak | 16 Apr 2014, 09:17 Post #34 |
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I picked your comment purely for the sake of having a single one to respond to (rather than a lot) that expresses pretty much everything going around in regards to me. In the end, I'm here because I care about this franchise. HTTYD is my favourite movie, and I want, more than anything in regards to films at the moment, for the sequel to be good. The last thing I want is the legacy of a great movie to be ruined by a lousy sequel or sequels (The Land Before Time is another one of my favourite films, so I've been there and done that). Sadly, it does not look like we're going to get a good movie come June. Obviously, this is a problem for me. Now, I will certainly see it, both out of morbid curiosity, and because I feel I owe the film makers one chance... and no more. Since I will see HTTYD 2, I am interested in it, and am therefore interested in talking about it. Pretty simple, really. Now, in regards to comments, I have two basic rules. First, be honest, and don't pull punches, except to stay within some bounds of civility (given that, to the best of my knowledge, none of my comments have been deleted, it would appear that I have done that). Second, don't post just to agree. I personally view that as pointless. Note that I do not hold anyone else to these rules; they're just rules I try to follow. In regards to Dreamworks, I absolutely loathe them as a company for their corporate philosophy, which can be basically summarised as "throw everything at the wall until something sticks; when something does, whore it out until it becomes a shadow of its former self." There are certainly talented people there, but the problems seem to be at the top. So honestly, I don't care if the company collapses, other than its possible effect on the HTTYD franchise (and since I'd rather have no sequel than bad sequels, for all we know, in the long term I might well have preferred it if the company had collapsed in late 2010). Many of the more talented people would find other jobs, and new studios would have the chance to fill the gap, creating more jobs in the process. |
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Number of times I've watched the trailer: 18. My pet peeve: people who refer to complete strangers by their first name. The correct ways to refer to a "John Smith" whom you have never met are Smith, Mr Smith, or John Smith. Not "John". He's not your buddy. | |
| Gh3ttoKinG. | 16 Apr 2014, 10:01 Post #35 |
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I think they will reach the $1 billion mark. When I think how many thing they do to make it a suggest: more realistic graphics, real-time rendering (or what it was again), etc. I think they really try to reach the $1 billion. (I read the linked article later because I'm at work at the moment) |
| Zer0x | 16 Apr 2014, 10:22 Post #36 |
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Will it be worse or just different? That is a question everyone who don't believe in this movie should thought about. For myself, I know I will love it, because the scenes we have seen so far are enough to create a fantastic movie, even if the other scenes would show only a blackscreen. That is a point I can't understand. DreamWorks has the best work philosophy of all film studios I've seen so far. It is one of only a few studios which create true art and no commercial medias. Of course, every movie is made to make money, but not for the people who create them. The workers at DW have more freedom in their work thsn in other companies. A reason why some people think that DW bet on quantity instead of quality is probably because of the fact, that DW is not on the top of animation studios and have hard competitive. They have to produce more than everyone else to etablish. The amount of worse movies is the same like Pixars, but because of the selective perception, you will remember mainly the worse. In the last 5 yeara, there were only one DW movie which I wouldn't rate with at least a "good" and that movie is 'Rise of the Guardians'. |
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UNAMUSED No, I'm serious....stop it.. | |
| Cartoon Freak | 16 Apr 2014, 11:01 Post #37 |
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Perhaps you can answer me this, then: why are there so many sequels to Dreamworks films, and why are none of them necessary? Where is the artistic need for a sequel to HTTYD, a film that is, if nothing else, utterly complete? Why are there three sequels to Shrek, with a fourth on the way, when none of them have lived up to the original? Why on earth are there two sequels to Madagascar when the only good things in the original were the penguins and King Julien (for the record, I consider the TV series to be, at the very least, a good idea)? Why on earth did Katzenberg announce five sequels to Kung Fu Panda before the second film was even released (seriously, who does that?)? The answer is simple: sequels are easy money. There's a built-in audience who will see it no matter what (I'm guilty as charged on some occasions) so long as you can put some polish on the trailer, and there's no need to actually have a good idea or any creativity. Sure, sometimes even a sequel with little artistic need to exist will be good (Kung Fu Panda 2 was pretty good, albeit overrated, until about the last five seconds, though that's another rant entirely), but that's in spite of corporate mandates, rather than because of them. Though perhaps I should make a minor amendment: for all I know, it could just be Katzenberg, or a single other person with their finger on the proverbial button. Perhaps once that person quits or dies (hopefully the former), Dreamworks will become a wonderful, artistically-minded studio, where projects are decided on artistic merit rather than the almighty dollar. I'm not holding my breath on that one. |
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Number of times I've watched the trailer: 18. My pet peeve: people who refer to complete strangers by their first name. The correct ways to refer to a "John Smith" whom you have never met are Smith, Mr Smith, or John Smith. Not "John". He's not your buddy. | |
| Zer0x | 16 Apr 2014, 14:57 Post #38 |
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The answer is much simpler: Why creating a new universe when the people love the ones they already know? Shrek, Madagascar and Kung Fu Panda were all really awesome movies. They don't needed a sequel, but many people wanted them. Maybe the Madagascar sequels aren't as good as the first movie, but they are still good enough to have a right to exist. Sequels which don't continue a story are in my opinion the second try of a company to make a better movie in the same universe. Sometimes it works (KfP2, Shrek2/3) and sometimes not (Madagascar 2/3, Shrek 4). To say that the sequels are made to exploit the trust of the fans is nonsense. The amount of fans in comparison to all cinema visitors is not enough to make it profitable. A movie series lives from its reputation, not from a few thousand guaranteed cinema visitors. I can understand why you lay the blame on Mr.Katzenberg or whoever "pushes the proverbial buttons". He's a workerholic, sometimes a bit to ambitious (when you follow his CV) and he probably hates his competitors more than everything else in the world. But I can understand why he is doing this. DW is one of the best companies to work for. I've never seen seen an article about how fantastic it is to work for Disney or Pixar. |
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UNAMUSED No, I'm serious....stop it.. | |
| Cartoon Freak | 16 Apr 2014, 19:48 Post #39 |
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I said "audience", not fanbase. Basically, if you saw a movie and liked it, chances are that you'll see the sequel. You don't need to be a diehard fan to fall prey to the studio's strategy that way. And that is the fundamental purpose of a sequel - that guaranteed money. Some studios and film makers are just better at disguising it than others. Superhero movies, in particular, tend to insert overt sequel hooks nowadays, making a sequel necessary in order to complete the story, thus disguising the cash grab. In terms of the artistic side of things, the problem comes in the damage that the sequel tends to do to the original on one level or another. Unless the sequel is either necessary or better, it's going to tarnish the reputation and legacy of the original. As an example, The Land Before Time series has spent most of the last two decades as little more than a joke, by virtue of the sheer number of unnecessary sequels. And for what? The original worked, and did not need a sequel, but corporate greed refused to just let a good movie be a good movie, and proceeded to run it into the ground. A similar thing happens with Dreamworks sequels (though to be fair, they're not the only ones, just generally the most extreme about it over the last fifteen years or so), to a lesser extent. And that's a downright shame, because those original films had something going for them. And for what it's worth, I have seen a few articles saying how great it is to work for Pixar, and one comes to mind about great it is to work at Walt Disney World (no, seriously; I guess it takes an odd sort of person), though none immediately come to mind about it being great to work for any of Disney's other branches. I can track those articles down, if you're interested, and could probably find some for any branch of Disney you care to name - there's not exactly a shortage of advertising disguised as news out there. |
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Number of times I've watched the trailer: 18. My pet peeve: people who refer to complete strangers by their first name. The correct ways to refer to a "John Smith" whom you have never met are Smith, Mr Smith, or John Smith. Not "John". He's not your buddy. | |
| Sampuig306 | 16 Apr 2014, 20:01 Post #40 |
The Outsider
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I Will Be SO HAPPY!!!! |
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