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ToothlessNightFury 20 Jun 2014, 00:20 Post #51
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18 Jun 2014, 11:09
I suppose these people also believe that Bambi's mother just abandoned him for no reason, and both Littlefoot's mother and Mufasa not only abandoned their children, but have the magical ability to turn into clouds at will.

And let's not even get started on Nemo's mother kidnapping all the other eggs.
Hahahaha!!! This made my day. :)
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Dan_Oceans 20 Jun 2014, 00:28 Post #52
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What do I put here again?

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20 Jun 2014, 04:20
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18 Jun 2014, 11:09
I suppose these people also believe that Bambi's mother just abandoned him for no reason, and both Littlefoot's mother and Mufasa not only abandoned their children, but have the magical ability to turn into clouds at will.

And let's not even get started on Nemo's mother kidnapping all the other eggs.
Hahahaha!!! This made my day. :)
Where are these theories coming from? While yes they're funny, can't people just stop making these theories up? I mean, come on, science has ruined movies enough for me. Now I have these 'theories' contributing as well.
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Pyr0mancer 20 Jun 2014, 08:36 Post #53
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Stoick, stop being so Stoick:)

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HideousZippleback 20 Jun 2014, 16:38 Post #54
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[color=blue]I'm just here for Snotlout.
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ToothlessNightFury
18 Jun 2014, 02:24
Is it bothering anybody else that some people seem to think that it's impossible for them to put death in a kids movie? I mean like someone on youtube refusese to believe that Stoick is dead even though he is clearly shown dead in the movie. They have it stuck in their heads because they read on "Wikipedia" and an "un official article" that Butler is coming back for the third movie. LIke hello it's called flash back sceens!!!
let it go people. We have to accept that Stoick sadly has died saving his one and only son.
I HATE how people deny that death happens. It's antural so why do people make such a fuss about it hapening? Are people really wanting to shield their children from something that will happen no matter what?

I swear to the gods society is such an idiot sometimes...
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ToothlessNightFury 20 Jun 2014, 21:52 Post #55
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20 Jun 2014, 20:38
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18 Jun 2014, 02:24
Is it bothering anybody else that some people seem to think that it's impossible for them to put death in a kids movie? I mean like someone on youtube refusese to believe that Stoick is dead even though he is clearly shown dead in the movie. They have it stuck in their heads because they read on "Wikipedia" and an "un official article" that Butler is coming back for the third movie. LIke hello it's called flash back sceens!!!
let it go people. We have to accept that Stoick sadly has died saving his one and only son.
I HATE how people deny that death happens. It's antural so why do people make such a fuss about it hapening? Are people really wanting to shield their children from something that will happen no matter what?

I swear to the gods society is such an idiot sometimes...
the way the person kept responding to me they sounded like they were a kid actually or possibly a pre teen. I would think an adult would realize that death happens. And I yeah I don't like it but yeah it happens. Real life or cartoon it happens (Unless it's Arthur or stuff for babies) Yes Dragons is technically a kids movie, but hey Finding Nemo, Lion King, Bambi, Land Before time, and more, we had to deal with death in our movies as kids so why not the kids today too?

Believe a Dragon Can Thaw A Frozen Heart Role Play Based of HTTYD and Frozen

Around here we don't look back. We keep moving forward, opening up new doors and doing new things, because we're curious...and curiosity keeps leading us down new paths.-Walt Disney

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HideousZippleback 20 Jun 2014, 23:09 Post #56
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[color=blue]I'm just here for Snotlout.
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ToothlessNightFury
21 Jun 2014, 01:52
HideousZippleback
20 Jun 2014, 20:38
ToothlessNightFury
18 Jun 2014, 02:24
Is it bothering anybody else that some people seem to think that it's impossible for them to put death in a kids movie? I mean like someone on youtube refusese to believe that Stoick is dead even though he is clearly shown dead in the movie. They have it stuck in their heads because they read on "Wikipedia" and an "un official article" that Butler is coming back for the third movie. LIke hello it's called flash back sceens!!!
let it go people. We have to accept that Stoick sadly has died saving his one and only son.
I HATE how people deny that death happens. It's antural so why do people make such a fuss about it hapening? Are people really wanting to shield their children from something that will happen no matter what?

I swear to the gods society is such an idiot sometimes...
the way the person kept responding to me they sounded like they were a kid actually or possibly a pre teen. I would think an adult would realize that death happens. And I yeah I don't like it but yeah it happens. Real life or cartoon it happens (Unless it's Arthur or stuff for babies) Yes Dragons is technically a kids movie, but hey Finding Nemo, Lion King, Bambi, Land Before time, and more, we had to deal with death in our movies as kids so why not the kids today too?
Because, unfortunately, people nowadays want to shelter their children from almost anything possible be it death, sexuality, ect.
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Crest1347 21 Jun 2014, 01:03 Post #57
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ToothlessNightFury
21 Jun 2014, 01:52
HideousZippleback
20 Jun 2014, 20:38
ToothlessNightFury
18 Jun 2014, 02:24
Is it bothering anybody else that some people seem to think that it's impossible for them to put death in a kids movie? I mean like someone on youtube refusese to believe that Stoick is dead even though he is clearly shown dead in the movie. They have it stuck in their heads because they read on "Wikipedia" and an "un official article" that Butler is coming back for the third movie. LIke hello it's called flash back sceens!!!
let it go people. We have to accept that Stoick sadly has died saving his one and only son.
I HATE how people deny that death happens. It's antural so why do people make such a fuss about it hapening? Are people really wanting to shield their children from something that will happen no matter what?

I swear to the gods society is such an idiot sometimes...
the way the person kept responding to me they sounded like they were a kid actually or possibly a pre teen. I would think an adult would realize that death happens. And I yeah I don't like it but yeah it happens. Real life or cartoon it happens (Unless it's Arthur or stuff for babies) Yes Dragons is technically a kids movie, but hey Finding Nemo, Lion King, Bambi, Land Before time, and more, we had to deal with death in our movies as kids so why not the kids today too?
I'm not familiar with Land Before Time, but as for the others, it could be that, in Dragons, a human character that dies, not some talking animal. That makes the death much more real. And, of course, Toothless killing him...

Before you tear me apart at the seams, I think Dreamworks did the death right, unlike many other movies. And I also think that Stoick's death was a good choice. All I'm trying to do it tap into the alien minds of those who don't agree with the death.

And, yes, people try to censor way too much stuff out of children's movies. While some stuff is off-limits, don't think that children are dumb. They do have two eyes, two ears, and a brain which they (hopefully) use.
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Cartoon Freak 21 Jun 2014, 04:22 Post #58
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Crest1347
21 Jun 2014, 05:03
I'm not familiar with Land Before Time, but as for the others, it could be that, in Dragons, a human character that dies, not some talking animal. That makes the death much more real. And, of course, Toothless killing him...

Before you tear me apart at the seams, I think Dreamworks did the death right, unlike many other movies. And I also think that Stoick's death was a good choice. All I'm trying to do it tap into the alien minds of those who don't agree with the death.

And, yes, people try to censor way too much stuff out of children's movies. While some stuff is off-limits, don't think that children are dumb. They do have two eyes, two ears, and a brain which they (hopefully) use.
For the record, The Land Before Time is about talking dinosaurs, so it's very similar material to Bambi and The Lion King (directly referencing the former, while possibly inspiring the latter).

BUT

In all these movies, the talking animals are so heavily anthropomorphised (unlike, say, Watership Down, where the rabbits pretty much act like rabbits, with some artistic license) that they're basically people, and the audience relates to them as such. Heck, as a kid, I for one related way more easily to such characters than I did to human characters, so it hit me way harder when bad things happened to them, but I got through it just fine.

Now, the part about Toothless being the one to kill Stoick is a fair point, and it definitely makes the film darker. However, they make it very clear (even to the point of having characters state it explicitly, which struck me as unnecessary) that Toothless was under someone else's control at the time, and thus cannot be held responsible. And it's not like this is the first time a (theoretically) children's film has done something like this - The Iron Giant did a similar thing (completely off-topic: it handled this topic in a far superior manner), only without any explicit death resulting from it.

Oh, and I do understand that you're playing Devil's Advocate. Kudos. It's just that, in this case, the Devil is a twit.
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Crest1347 21 Jun 2014, 11:40 Post #59
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21 Jun 2014, 08:22
It's just that, in this case, the Devil is a twit.
Touché.
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athena2235 22 Jun 2014, 15:59 Post #60
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Apparently in the first draft it was Gobber and not Stoick that was supposed to die

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http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/06/16/h ... -del-toro/
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