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| Topic Started: 21 Jul 2014, 19:39 (7159 Views) | |
| Cartoon Freak | 21 Jul 2014, 19:39 Post #11 |
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Is this really that important? You've basically said that HTTYD 2 is a good movie that you enjoy - shouldn't that be infinitely more important than what the plebs think? There are plenty of movies that I enjoy that most people would never have even heard of, and it doesn't lessen my enjoyment in the slightest. In regards to discussion potential, this is the internet - there are places to discuss anything (there's probably a rule for that). 1. I really hope that the people who work on these films have thick enough skin to not let the stupidity of the plebs discourage them, when the critics clearly liked the film, and thus will probably like the third film if it deserves to be liked. If they don't have thick enough skin for that, then they're in the wrong line of work. Being an artist of any sort is not for the faint of heart. 2. The third film being a success is no guarantee that Dreamworks would make more films as mature as it, and for that matter, the third film being a flop is no guarantee that they wouldn't. Hollywood is notorious for doing downright stupid things, even when looked at purely in regards to profitability. Of course, certain events make other events more likely, but given how far from certain anything is in that regard, it hardly seems worth worrying about it. $660 million at the worldwide box office is considered a flop now? Sure, it was critically panned, but what studio cares about that in regards to their blockbusters? Isn't that dissonance between critics and audience the reason people here seem to be so worried about HTTYD 3? |
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Number of times I've watched the trailer: 18. My pet peeve: people who refer to complete strangers by their first name. The correct ways to refer to a "John Smith" whom you have never met are Smith, Mr Smith, or John Smith. Not "John". He's not your buddy. | |
| Berserk Shieldmaiden | 21 Jul 2014, 20:30 Post #12 |
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Well I didn't really hear many positive reviews about Man of Steel. It made that much just because it was a super hero movie. The super hero craze will probably start fading out by 2016. |
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| Eret | 21 Jul 2014, 21:27 Post #13 |
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Yes it is important to me and others. Money does matter, believe it or not... This thread is the place to discuss it. I'm honestly getting a little tired of someone coming in to every thread about httyd's box office performance with a comment like "well it doesn't matter to ME so it shouldn't matter to any of you either". The "plebs" are the paying public, the people that give all the employees at these move making studios their careers. Yes there is a level of thick skin that needs to be had in any professional field, but theres nothing shameful about feeling disappointed that your hard work isn't getting the recognition it deserves, especially so if you know that you've done an absolutely phenomenal job at whatever it is. And as an actual working artist, I really do hate the stigma that artists can't feel anything but passive acceptance of everything that gets thrown at them or they're not cut out for the field. As for the last point, obviously its not a "guarantee" of anything, but its more than a bit naive to act like studios don't base their decisions on the type of movies to greenlight based on the past successes and failures of other feature films. Its not random acts of stupidity, shuffling all the scripts on their desk and then signing off on the first one they pull out of the pile. Though it does seem like that sometimes. Looking at you, Turbo. Anyway, I think its a little silly that you seem to want justification as to why anyone would find a topic important to them or worth discussing. Lets stay on topic now, shall we? |
| DarthBacon | 21 Jul 2014, 21:58 Post #14 |
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Box office does play a huge role! I am willing to bet anything that the budget for httyd 3 is going to be drastically reduced if this does'nt surpass the original. That can be horrible for dean, and to us too. Why should'nt we care about the money? Right now, its one of my favourite franchises ever, and obviously the money it makes is a definite concern to me. Its frustrating to see good movies getting snubbed all the time, when the utterly nonsensical ones come in and just blast through the box office. And my biggest pain is that the 1st one was well liked, well recieved and was a success. But now, a sequel better than the original comes, and flops? I, for one, can't digest that. Hollywood has been very unfair to the httyd franchise. If this movie does'nt win the academy award for the soundtrack, I am giving up on the oscars forever. |
  
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| dorcas18 | 21 Jul 2014, 23:10 Post #15 |
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Can't agree more. |
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| Cartoon Freak | 22 Jul 2014, 07:23 Post #16 |
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Honestly, I'd love to be you guys, having so little to worry about that you choose to worry about the box office performance of a film that's two years away, when the box office performance is not going to have any easily traceable impact on anything that's going to affect you. And once again, I find it funny that when I'm the only person not being all pessimistic, people still tell me I'm wrong. Now that's a legitimate concern involving box office revenue, because it has a clear and logical chain of events leading to an outcome that you perceive to be negative (I myself see little correlation between budget and quality, but that's an entirely separate argument, and way off-topic for here). But here's the thing: a poor box-office performance for HTTYD 3 does not have a clear negative consequence. Heck, if it were to stop Dreamworks from whoring out the franchise past it's use-by date, then that would be a very good thing. And once again, I find it funny that when I'm the only person not being all pessimistic, people still tell me I'm wrong. |
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Number of times I've watched the trailer: 18. My pet peeve: people who refer to complete strangers by their first name. The correct ways to refer to a "John Smith" whom you have never met are Smith, Mr Smith, or John Smith. Not "John". He's not your buddy. | |
| puxlit | 22 Jul 2014, 09:30 Post #17 |
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Scrutinising box office trends may seem petty in the grand scheme of things, but this is a fandom forum. We're not here to talk about worthy political or social issues. We're here to discuss whatever relates to this franchise. Two things… Firstly, why must an issue directly affect us for it to be worth considering? Secondly, how do you know what impact it might have on us? Perhaps some of us work in the animation industry. Perhaps some of us are considering careers in the animation industry. Perhaps some of us simply enjoy animation as a storytelling medium. Arguably, all of us see something worth celebrating in this franchise. Arguably, all of us would like to see it go out on a high note. Arguably, all of us would prefer it if DWA found serious storytelling a worthwhile endeavour. That's probably because optimism does not equate to correctness.  I think you'd have to admit that there's only so much you can do on a shoestring budget, regardless of how you define quality. I'd argue that an aversion to serious storytelling in favour of slapstick comedy is a clear negative consequence. And let's not kid ourselves—animation studios are a business. |
| Cartoon Freak | 22 Jul 2014, 11:26 Post #18 |
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I guess, but this seems to be less talking about the film and more about marketing. Indeed, to an observer with little investment in the topic, you look less like fans of HTTYD and more like fans of Dreamworks and Fox's marketing team. I'm sure there are fans of marketing, and I really don't want to know what their fanfic are like. Now that I stop to think about it, that's basically the concept of the TV show "The Gruen Transfer" and its spinoffs. Good show, and I'm sure you would all enjoy it even more than I do. 1. I suppose anything is worth exploring in an intellectual capacity. But to get emotionally invested in something like box office performance to the point where you start worrying (and I'm seeing a lot of that here) just seems unhealthy. As the saying goes, "Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference." Can you change the box office takings of HTTYD 3? Technically yes, but you're a drop in the ocean. So hey, be the biggest drop you can be if you want to. See the movie as many times as you can, tell everyone you know to see it (don't overdo this, for other reasons), and at the end of the day, don't worry about the result, because you've done all you can. 2. If you work in the animation industry (and I'm going to take a punt here and say that most of us don't), then wouldn't it make more sense to discuss this with your peers? I'm sure there are forums out there for animators, if you really don't want to talk to the ones you actually work with. If nothing else, you'll get a better standard of conversation. This is like if someone worked in a toy store, and posted a topic about the sales of HTTYD 3 toys when that movie comes around. Yes, there are plenty of good reasons for this person to be concerned about such matters, and yes, it is technically relevant, but it's so tangential that I'm at a loss as to why anyone else should care. Actually, there's not only plenty you can do on a lesser budget (I would wager any of the major animation studios could remake the visuals of Toy Story from the ground-up, and that film is still better than 95% of films released in recent years, because of everything else about it), but restrictions can actually be a great boon to creativity. Jaws is perhaps the best example - the fact that the shark rig was bordering on unusable meant that Spielberg had to shoot scenes around the shark, creating a far more chilling atmosphere. For that matter, an argument can be made for the time scales of HTTYD's production versus that of the sequel, but that it would be an argument that it would be better to have somewhere else. Yes, but that's not a consequence that can be predicted with any degree of certainty. Allow me to demonstrate by going back to 2010. When I saw that HTTYD was not only great, but successful, I thought to myself, "Yes! Dreamworks will surely see that great movies make money, so they'll aim to have way more ambition in their stories!" Instead, they went with a much narrower focus, deciding that it was the concept that was the cause of the film's success, rather than the execution. The result is a franchise (a much better one than it could have been to be fair), with no sign of greater ambition in story concepts in their other films (the one possible exception is Rise of the Guardians, but I'm sure that must have been in production before HTTYD came out). Who's to say a similar thing won't happen here? Dreamworks might take a look at HTTYD 3 getting lacklustre results at the box office, and decide that the franchise is done, and there's no sense in any more sequels. That's certainly a different result, certainly plausible, and, given that DeBlois certainly seems to have this planned as a trilogy, almost certainly a better result than getting more sequels. Finally, I'm not going to speak for anyone else here, but I for one am more concerned with getting good movies than serious ones. To give an extreme example, Transformers: Age of Extinction is, at least for most of its running time, a more serious film than The Lego Movie. I think I shall speak for everyone and say that the latter is better than the former. So yeah, if you want a short version of my views, consider it to be this: if we have to worry about something, let's worry about getting a good movie first, since it's more important. |
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Number of times I've watched the trailer: 18. My pet peeve: people who refer to complete strangers by their first name. The correct ways to refer to a "John Smith" whom you have never met are Smith, Mr Smith, or John Smith. Not "John". He's not your buddy. | |
| DarthBacon | 22 Jul 2014, 12:00 Post #19 |
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Okay, why do you have to take an extremely realistic approach on this? We all fully know that us worrying about the box office is not going to change anything, but that does'nt mean we should'nt talk or speculate about it. If httyd 2 had sucked ( god forbid :-P), I honestly would'nt have cared about the box office. But when a film as good as this ends up getting low collections, its natural for every fan to speculate on this. And also, we are not doing it somewhere public. I believe this is the best place to do so. Secondly, budget does matter. Don't bring in the toy story example here. Httyd 2 was the most gorgeously animated film I have ever seen. They set a really high mark for themselves. So if httyd 3 fails to cross that mark (purely set by the animation constraint) , naturally its going to suffer, as comparison between the 2 is almost certainly going to happen. With a low budget, they can't do much. Even Dean admitted that he had a longer film planned, but he had to cut down solely due to the budget. And as far as httyd 3 is concerned, I have faith in Dean. The man has immense love for this franchise, and I am certain that the film will be good. Trust me, I did'nt want httyd 2 to release. I honestly was afraid that the sequel would destroy my opinion about the original. But the sequel was way beyond my expectations. This was not a movie from a director who wanted to rake in the money, but a movie from a director who loves Hiccup, Toothless and the gang more than any of us here. |
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| Eret | 22 Jul 2014, 13:26 Post #20 |
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Why do you assume none of us care about getting a good movie? There are many threads in this forum on a lot of different topics, and everyone here has participated in a diverse range of them. This specific one is about HTTYD3's box office, so that's what we're talking about. There are several threads already that are about httyd3's story and other things involving it that aren't about money. You are more than welcome to join those, and if you like, you're as free as anyone else to start a thread about whatever you think is interesting. and you may find that people from this thread will even join you, since humans are capable of caring about more than one thing at once, even if one of those things is seemingly more "important" than the other one. |
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