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Cartoon freak you are too harsh on movies.


On the subject of stoick toothless shoots at hiccup but stoick dives in front of hiccup. Stoick dies from this for certain. (toothless was controlled by the bewilderbeast at this time. Then the bewilderbeast disconnects vision with toothless and toothless runs to check on stoick. Hiccup then gets angry at toothless and tells him to leave. Then bewilderbeast regains control of toothless and drago flys off on toothless.

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I cried. Silently, but I did cry. My poor Toothy had tear stains XD
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I cried almost. But the saddest part was the funeral ship.
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13 Jun 2014, 03:21
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08 Jun 2014, 10:38
Toothless snaps out of it for a little while (for no real reason, though if one wanted to be generous to the writers, one could put it down to Drago wanting Toothless to have free will for just enough time to understand what he did, because he's sadistic like that - note that I do not recall anything in the actual film that shows this, and the interpretation is more my imagination than anything else)

I'm coming back to answer this because I just saw the movie again and its actually very clear what happened. Drago's Alpha turned away to head back in to the sea and relinquished his mind control over all the dragons since the battle was pretty much over. Toothless didn't just "snap out of it for no real reason".
Again, however, there's really no reason why the Bewilderbeast should do this, since it clearly takes back control not too long afterwards. Again, I suppose it does make sense if you assume that Drago is a sadistic prick who wanted to make Toothless suffer by letting him understand what he did, which is entirely plausible.
Number of times I've watched the trailer: 18.

My pet peeve: people who refer to complete strangers by their first name. The correct ways to refer to a "John Smith" whom you have never met are Smith, Mr Smith, or John Smith. Not "John". He's not your buddy.
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13 Jun 2014, 09:54
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13 Jun 2014, 03:21
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08 Jun 2014, 10:38
Toothless snaps out of it for a little while (for no real reason, though if one wanted to be generous to the writers, one could put it down to Drago wanting Toothless to have free will for just enough time to understand what he did, because he's sadistic like that - note that I do not recall anything in the actual film that shows this, and the interpretation is more my imagination than anything else)

I'm coming back to answer this because I just saw the movie again and its actually very clear what happened. Drago's Alpha turned away to head back in to the sea and relinquished his mind control over all the dragons since the battle was pretty much over. Toothless didn't just "snap out of it for no real reason".
Again, however, there's really no reason why the Bewilderbeast should do this, since it clearly takes back control not too long afterwards. Again, I suppose it does make sense if you assume that Drago is a sadistic prick who wanted to make Toothless suffer by letting him understand what he did, which is entirely plausible.
How was the bewilderbeast supposed to know drago was going to command him to take all the dragons to berk right afterwards. Hes an animal.

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08 Jun 2014, 10:38
Toothless snaps out of it for a little while (for no real reason, though if one wanted to be generous to the writers, one could put it down to Drago wanting Toothless to have free will for just enough time to understand what he did, because he's sadistic like that - note that I do not recall anything in the actual film that shows this, and the interpretation is more my imagination than anything else)

I'm coming back to answer this because I just saw the movie again and its actually very clear what happened. Drago's Alpha turned away to head back in to the sea and relinquished his mind control over all the dragons since the battle was pretty much over. Toothless didn't just "snap out of it for no real reason".
This^^ and yeah he did realize what he did. And he felt terrible because he tried to show he was sorry and Hiccup yelled and pushed him away. But Valka helped him realize it wasn't Toothless' fault. It was Drago and his Alpha who made him. So Toothless was forgiven.
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13 Jun 2014, 12:42

How was the bewilderbeast supposed to know drago was going to command him to take all the dragons to berk right afterwards. Hes an animal.
But again, why stop in the first place? Again, there's a reason that's good enough for me (namely, Drago being a sadist), but I can hardly claim it as much of a reason when I don't know of any evidence that that's why it happened. It's just one of those odd little things where what's good enough for me isn't really what's good enough period.
Number of times I've watched the trailer: 18.

My pet peeve: people who refer to complete strangers by their first name. The correct ways to refer to a "John Smith" whom you have never met are Smith, Mr Smith, or John Smith. Not "John". He's not your buddy.
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You're overcomplicating it. Drago's not a wizard with constant mind control powers over the bewilderbeast. He still has some free will. Drago told him to do something and he did it, then he stopped because his job was done. Thats it.
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It really doesn't help that it's really unclear how Drago managed to gain control of the Bewilderbeast in the first place. Also, if Drago's control of the Bewilderbeast requires constant reinforcement, then it seems that he doesn't have much of a plan after attacking Berk. I mean, he has to sleep at some point, so do the dragons regain their free will when he does?

I will admit, however, that these are broader problems, and the issue to which I was originally referring is but a symptom of this. So perhaps it would be better to go back to the root problems, namely:

1. How in the nine circles of hell did Drago get control of a Bewilderbeast in the first place?

2. What on earth was his plan in the long term?

Darn it, and I'd just about gotten a handle on alpha-ism, as well. Oh well, I guess my subconscious can try to tackle this problem while it's finishing the other one.
Number of times I've watched the trailer: 18.

My pet peeve: people who refer to complete strangers by their first name. The correct ways to refer to a "John Smith" whom you have never met are Smith, Mr Smith, or John Smith. Not "John". He's not your buddy.
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I'm remembering from the Official website that I think he got the Bewilderbeast as a young dragon possibly?
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