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| Topic Started: 24 Jun 2014, 14:58 (9336 Views) | |
| alpha_dragon | 24 Jun 2014, 14:58 Post #21 |
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If the bewilderbeast has a crop, that's where Drago can stay. There's so much magic, like the flying and fire capabilities of the vast majority of the dragons. |
| Cartoon Freak | 24 Jun 2014, 19:13 Post #22 |
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1. Why on earth would the Bewilderbeast have one of those? That's an organ of birds and invertebrates, not reptiles. 2. Flying and fire are not inherently magical. At most, they're the standard bending of the laws of physics that you get in most cartoons. Indeed, HTTYD actually goes out of its way to make them make sense. |
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Number of times I've watched the trailer: 18. My pet peeve: people who refer to complete strangers by their first name. The correct ways to refer to a "John Smith" whom you have never met are Smith, Mr Smith, or John Smith. Not "John". He's not your buddy. | |
| alpha_dragon | 24 Jun 2014, 22:22 Post #23 |
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1. For storing fish. It could have evolved independently of birds and invertebrates, but we don't actually know the true anatomy of any dragon. 2. "Bending laws of physics" is just another term for magic. Dragon fire is almost universally a magical power exclusive to dragons in any type of lore you will find. In reality, fire (combustion) requires heat, fuel, and oxygen, and the ideal byproducts are carbon dioxide and water vapor. If dragons are reptiles, then they are not going to be able to generate a source of heat, let alone sustain their own body temperatures in cold environments. Reptiles are also susceptible to overheating. A gronckle will never able to create combustible fuel from eating rocks. If the dragon circulatory system is like a reptile's, then it will most certainly going to be susceptible to the hazards of carbon monoxide, soot, and other byproducts of real combustion. If you look at real flying creatures, nearly all of them lack the long tails and back fins that HTTYD dragons have, because in reality, those increase weight and drag and hinder maneuverability. Toothless' split back fins magically allows him to make tighter turns. The Red Death is only able to fly because of magic. It would not be physically possible to flap wings that large. Likewise, it's not possible for the gronckle to flap its wings like a hummingbird because of the size. |
| Cartoon Freak | 25 Jun 2014, 07:49 Post #24 |
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1. Okay, fine, for the sake of argument, I'll say it could work, but it would require them to spend a heck of a lot of time going into that aspect of dragon anatomy. Not only are DeBlois and co. unlikely to even want to bog down their movie like that, it would be completely and utterly unnecessary. Hiccup barely looked down to see if Drago was really dead, and he could easily have held his breath for long enough to avoid detection. Of course, this leaves us with the problem of Hiccup being an idiot, but I suppose that would still have been a problem even without this. 2. No, breaking the laws of physics is just another term for magic. There's a difference. Breaking the laws of physics can be spotted by an average person quite easily (e.g. everyone knows that you can't wave a stick while shouting something in pseudo-Latin and get any result), whereas bending them would actually require some more specialised knowledge of the field to spot it (e.g. it's entirely possible that a healthy Night Fury would not be able to fly, but it would require someone with an above average knowledge of aerodynamics to see that). The latter is present in the vast majority of fiction (both for simplicity's sake and because writers don't know everything), whereas the former is the domain of fantasy, specifically fantasy with magic in it (as opposed to fantasy that simply has non-magical creatures that do not exist in real life). Regarding the production of fire, while biology is not my area of expertise, it doesn't appear too difficult to explain. Their fire clearly does come from them creating a flammable gas (seen explicitly with Zipplebacks, Night Furies, and the Red Death, but it is reasonable to assume that other dragons work the same way) and then igniting it. The ignition merely requires a spark at sufficient temperatures. That's not particularly difficult to create, as you just need two hard surfaces whacking against each other in the right way. As for the heat, last time I checked, there was a legitimate school of thought suggesting that dinosaurs were warm blooded, and those would be the reptilian creatures likely to be most closely related to dragons. Now, it is entirely possible that some minor specifics might not work out, but that would fall well into the category of bending physics rather than breaking it. |
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Number of times I've watched the trailer: 18. My pet peeve: people who refer to complete strangers by their first name. The correct ways to refer to a "John Smith" whom you have never met are Smith, Mr Smith, or John Smith. Not "John". He's not your buddy. | |
| Shnuckles | 25 Jun 2014, 08:40 Post #25 |
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Ever wonder like we're (or I suppose you two in this instance, alpha_dragon and Cartoon Freak) over complicating things? It is a kids movie made FOR kids, after all. :\ |
| Cartoon Freak | 25 Jun 2014, 09:53 Post #26 |
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Being made for kids is no excuse for being stupid. Indeed, I would say it's all the more reason to make sure that your film is the best it can be, because our children deserve the best. Just for the record, I think that Dreamworks have managed to stay away from anything on nearly that level of stupidity in this franchise, and believe that they will continue to do so. |
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Number of times I've watched the trailer: 18. My pet peeve: people who refer to complete strangers by their first name. The correct ways to refer to a "John Smith" whom you have never met are Smith, Mr Smith, or John Smith. Not "John". He's not your buddy. | |
| Shnuckles | 25 Jun 2014, 10:03 Post #27 |
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DW has done a very good job at keeping this movie realistic, aside from the dragons, of course; I agree with you there. But I find that ALL of us, in one time or another, have tried to complicating things on something that DW and Dean probably never thought of in the first place. It actually happens on my fanfic sometimes in the reviews. My readers would over complicate a part of the chapter and I would be like- Yep... that is exactly what I was shooting for... so could you run it by me one more time? I guess it all comes down to how big a fan you really are to catching something small and trying with all your might to come up with a logical explanation. |
| Cartoon Freak | 25 Jun 2014, 11:21 Post #28 |
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I think we actually have some common ground here that might not be initially apparent. If DeBlois decides to bring Drago back (for what it's worth, I think he will), then there isn't a need for a complicated explanation. It simply needs to be "I held my breath until you stopped looking, you twit." Simple, logical (well, barring Hiccup's stupidity, but that can be worked with if he has to face some serious consequences for said stupidity), and doesn't require any weird stuff that would look more at home in an episode of Veggie Tales. |
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Number of times I've watched the trailer: 18. My pet peeve: people who refer to complete strangers by their first name. The correct ways to refer to a "John Smith" whom you have never met are Smith, Mr Smith, or John Smith. Not "John". He's not your buddy. | |
| ToothlessNightFury | 25 Jun 2014, 11:32 Post #29 |
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My mom and I were so hoping for something like this!! excuse me but I do believe this to be a true event that happened it is NOT rediculous and actually I find your coment about offensive as the Bible and what's written in it is very important to me. |
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Believe a Dragon Can Thaw A Frozen Heart Role Play Based of HTTYD and Frozen Around here we don't look back. We keep moving forward, opening up new doors and doing new things, because we're curious...and curiosity keeps leading us down new paths.-Walt Disney 
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| DarthBacon | 25 Jun 2014, 12:35 Post #30 |
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The fact that Hiccup didnt make sure that Drago was dead doesnt make him stupid. He just defeated Drago, and the reality of what happened, how things have changed so drastically for him within such a short span of time, probably hasnt sunk in yet for him. And he is just 20, so cut him some slack. He would have been relieved that the casualities were limited to what just happened. And as for him not being a 'good' chief, even any 'remotely good' chief would have stayed back to support his tribe, as most of their home has been destroyed. So Hiccup not going after Drago makes him a a very good and considerate chief, not someone who merely wants revenge. |
  
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