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Speculation for lack luster box office opening?
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micromys 22 Jun 2014, 17:44 Post #91
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22 Jun 2014, 21:36
Oh, could you share a link please?
Here's the interview, and while he doesn't address the domestic box office, considering that it's about to open in the big European markets and is being received well makes me feel a little better, haha! (Well, AND opening at #1 in 30 other markets... that's nice to hear too.)
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Eret 22 Jun 2014, 17:57 Post #92
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22 Jun 2014, 21:44
Eret
22 Jun 2014, 21:36
Oh, could you share a link please?
Here's the interview, and while he doesn't address the domestic box office, considering that it's about to open in the big European markets and is being received well makes me feel a little better, haha! (Well, AND opening at #1 in 30 other markets... that's nice to hear too.)
Thank you, its nice to hear its being received well. It deserves it.
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alpha_dragon 22 Jun 2014, 17:59 Post #93
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22 Jun 2014, 21:44
Here's the interview, and while he doesn't address the domestic box office, considering that it's about to open in the big European markets and is being received well makes me feel a little better, haha! (Well, AND opening at #1 in 30 other markets... that's nice to hear too.)
WTF? It opened #1 overseas, but merely #2 at home?! It's all President Obama's fault! (J/K)
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Cartoon Freak 22 Jun 2014, 19:50 Post #94
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22 Jun 2014, 14:49
Actually yes. That is why weekend percentage drops and overall box office numbers are study the way they are are. One of the reasons HTTYD was considered beloved wasn't simply the critical reaction. It was that people kept going to see it. That means repeated viewings and strong WOM.
1. You just said "box office" originally, which would also account for the week one takings, which are more a measurement of the effectiveness of the marketing than anything else.

2. While box office in subsequent weeks is a better measurement of audience satisfaction, it still doesn't take into account a host of other factors, such as the amount of competition, other events taking place at the time, etc.

Now, for what it's worth, box office is one of the few things studios care about, but that's because they're purely in it for the money. Personally, I hardly care about the box office takings, since it has no effect on me, at least in the immediate sense. To the extent that I do care, it's mostly a matter of principle. I don't want this film to do as well as the original HTTYD, since it's not as good a film, and if it were to smash records and the like, then Dreamworks would likely consider it good enough, with no need for improvement. Likewise, if it under performs at the box office, perhaps (though this is admittedly unlikely) Dreamworks will realise that they have to make the third film better.
Number of times I've watched the trailer: 18.

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Astrid 22 Jun 2014, 21:02 Post #95
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22 Jun 2014, 21:44
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22 Jun 2014, 21:36
Oh, could you share a link please?
Here's the interview, and while he doesn't address the domestic box office, considering that it's about to open in the big European markets and is being received well makes me feel a little better, haha! (Well, AND opening at #1 in 30 other markets... that's nice to hear too.)
This is why I said it was a mistake to not release the movie in the other big markets at the same time than the US, because I feel there is much more hype around the globe for this movie and this kind of story is more appreciated there even if the US fandom is relatively big. Luckely if it does well in those markets and news get to the US people there will start to go watch the movie and we might have what happened last time with the 1st movie.
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Personally, I hardly care about the box office takings, since it has no effect on me, at least in the immediate sense. To the extent that I do care, it's mostly a matter of principle. I don't want this film to do as well as the original HTTYD, since it's not as good a film, and if it were to smash records and the like, then Dreamworks would likely consider it good enough, with no need for improvement. Likewise, if it under performs at the box office, perhaps (though this is admittedly unlikely) Dreamworks will realise that they have to make the third film better.
Now even if I don't want Dreamworks to be in trouble I agree with you Cartoon Freak I don't want it to make more than the 1st movie because it might give them the wrong message and not consider making the 3rd film better than this one
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MartianArchaeologist 22 Jun 2014, 21:41 Post #96
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Really, why the disappointment over short term box-office numbers? I loved the movie and I'm grateful they made it.

And according to Box Office Mojo, this week it's ADDED 15 screens. It's a long-term kind of movie.
That's probably why some of the European fans haven't seen it yet--they may want to take what they've learned from the American opening and modify the publicity so that it can communicate better.

Yay for Dreamworks' long-term franchise planning. And MAKING GOOD STUFF.
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Sabrina 22 Jun 2014, 22:00 Post #97
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23 Jun 2014, 01:02
micromys
22 Jun 2014, 21:44
Eret
22 Jun 2014, 21:36
Oh, could you share a link please?
Here's the interview, and while he doesn't address the domestic box office, considering that it's about to open in the big European markets and is being received well makes me feel a little better, haha! (Well, AND opening at #1 in 30 other markets... that's nice to hear too.)
This is why I said it was a mistake to not release the movie in the other big markets at the same time than the US, because I feel there is much more hype around the globe for this movie and this kind of story is more appreciated there even if the US fandom is relatively big. Luckely if it does well in those markets and news get to the US people there will start to go watch the movie and we might have what happened last time with the 1st movie.
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Personally, I hardly care about the box office takings, since it has no effect on me, at least in the immediate sense. To the extent that I do care, it's mostly a matter of principle. I don't want this film to do as well as the original HTTYD, since it's not as good a film, and if it were to smash records and the like, then Dreamworks would likely consider it good enough, with no need for improvement. Likewise, if it under performs at the box office, perhaps (though this is admittedly unlikely) Dreamworks will realise that they have to make the third film better.
Now even if I don't want Dreamworks to be in trouble I agree with you Cartoon Freak I don't want it to make more than the 1st movie because it might give them the wrong message and not consider making the 3rd film better than this one
WHAT? I think it's the opposite. If the movie is bad at the box office. They will make a mess with the third. Why? Because they gave body and soul to make this film. It was great, still, was a big disappointment in box office. Discourages anyone. The message they will receive is this: "Good movies are not always the key for the success".
And the chances of them to decrease the budget are very high. Which means low graphics quality.
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Astrid 22 Jun 2014, 22:31 Post #98
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WHAT? I think it's the opposite. If the movie is bad at the box office. They will make a mess with the third. Why? Because they gave body and soul to make this film. It was great, still, was a big disappointment in box office. Discourages anyone. The message they will receive is this: "Good movies are not always the key for the success".
And the chances of them to decrease the budget are very high. Which means low graphics quality.
Well actually that's the thing, I don't consider this movie to be that good, more of an ok movie. Gorgeous graphics, animation, art but plot wise, character use, lack of flow in the storytelling and other reasons (you can see a topic about this in the post movie part of the forum) didn't make it a good movie for me. I personnally would not mind if they go back to the art/animation quality of the 1st movie IF they give me a core as good as the 1st one, here I feel I have a beautiful package but the core is not as good as it could be.
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athena2235 22 Jun 2014, 22:33 Post #99
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Here's the interview, and while he doesn't address the domestic box office, considering that it's about to open in the big European markets and is being received well makes me feel a little better, haha! (Well, AND opening at #1 in 30 other markets... that's nice to hear too.)
This is why I said it was a mistake to not release the movie in the other big markets at the same time than the US, because I feel there is much more hype around the globe for this movie and this kind of story is more appreciated there even if the US fandom is relatively big. Luckely if it does well in those markets and news get to the US people there will start to go watch the movie and we might have what happened last time with the 1st movie.
Cartoon Freak
 
Personally, I hardly care about the box office takings, since it has no effect on me, at least in the immediate sense. To the extent that I do care, it's mostly a matter of principle. I don't want this film to do as well as the original HTTYD, since it's not as good a film, and if it were to smash records and the like, then Dreamworks would likely consider it good enough, with no need for improvement. Likewise, if it under performs at the box office, perhaps (though this is admittedly unlikely) Dreamworks will realise that they have to make the third film better.
Now even if I don't want Dreamworks to be in trouble I agree with you Cartoon Freak I don't want it to make more than the 1st movie because it might give them the wrong message and not consider making the 3rd film better than this one
WHAT? I think it's the opposite. If the movie is bad at the box office. They will make a mess with the third. Why? Because they gave body and soul to make this film. It was great, still, was a big disappointment in box office. Discourages anyone. The message they will receive is this: "Good movies are not always the key for the success".
And the chances of them to decrease the budget are very high. Which means low graphics quality.

I agree, if it does not make at least as much if not more, I very much worry for httyd3. I doubt they will straight up cancel it, as they have already announced it--but it would not be the first time a movie is announced and then axed. More likely they will reduce the budget and increase their interference with the story--e.g. not allow Dean to take the story where he wants and instead stick to a more formulaic (and in their opinion, likely to be successful) movie. It was a pretty big risk to
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. If this movie does not at least achieve a reasonable level of success, I worry they will not allow taking further risks--which I feel will hurt the quality of the franchise.

So everybody recruit your friends to go see it, and purchase some merchandise if you can (often time merchandise can be more profitable than the movie revenues--at least in regards to profit ratio). It depresses me how few tweets, facebook posts, etc. I see promoting it.

edit: forgot which forum I was in, spoiler tag added.
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Eret 22 Jun 2014, 22:42 Post #100
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If this movie were to not do as well as the first film it would not be a good thing... in any way... it would not make the third film better.... like................. >___>
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